Algo Merry Go ROund ??

It is looks to me like google rolled out a new ALGO back on 7-23 to 27th ........


then this past weekend and the last few days ..... it looks like to me that they did TWO things .....

1) update backlinks internally ..... AND
2) Migrate BACK to the ALGO that was in place prior to july 23 rd ......


Is anyone else seeing results which confirm this anlaysis ......???

Maybe google did NOT like the algo tweak they made on 7-23 so they reversed it ......


Basically my serps are back nearly exactly where they were on july 20th (except for some differences explained by backlink varianaces) ........

I am seeing much more backlinks today than I have seen for about three weeks now. Not nearly as many as I have seen since that last screwup, I am sorry update :-)

i am talking about SERPS ... not backlinks ....

I have been thinking - for about a month - that there are at least two algos being served to the public. How your search is routed internally through google determines which one you get. I can see a couple results of my reoptimizations and linkage plays flashing in and out of the searches. This is not flux in my opinion. If I am wrong on the two algo idea then it must be clots of old data still hung in the system.

With IPO in sight an attempt to create a better search and increase revenue might have blown up in their face?

I see the results from backlinks have to be from the 28th because I show it in my backlinks and it was added that day.

I think Egol is on to something. I see one search result when I search from Google.com and then a completely different result when i search the same kw again from the SERPs page. I am also seeing what appears to be looksmart ppc links indexed in the SERPs. They come up on the very first search and then dissappear on subsequent searches. Very strange. The kw phrase is "talk america" no quotes. tell me if you see what i see or not.

from what i saw .... it may have took nearly two weeks to usher in the new algo which i referr to being implemented on july 23rd ...... and the data centers were bouncing in and out to bring in the new algo ... so i think it JUST looked like they were running two .... but prior to last thursday .... ALL the datacenters were runnning on JUST ONE algo and there was no more of the bouncing back and forth ..... now, i am seeing results from the OLD ago comming back ..... and as of today i dont see a single data center with the POST july 23rg algo results on it .... so i DO NOT think they are running two algos .... but they danced one in ... then danced it back out .... so in all that ushering in and out .... i agree it DID look like they were running two .... and it was NOt flux ...

but if they were running two algo;s .... then SOME datacenter ought to have the second (post july 23thrd) algo running on it and i dont see that .... i just see "flux" versions of the pre july 23rd algo ith the NEW backlinks factored into the mix is all i am seeing ....

Maybe you are right JoeBob....

.... anybody else seeing this stuff?

I fluxed from 43 back to 34 in 1 day? might have been the update..but I never changed anything.

yes ... the normal "flux" is still going on ...... but the "fluxing" looks to be going on with the OLD (pre july 23rd) algo instead of the New (july 23rd) algo ..... and backlinks have been rolled in also ... so there are some changes ....... which complicate the analysis ....


the people who can most easily offer positive confirmation of this circumstance ...... are people who were DEAD before the late july algo update who REAPPEARED in late july ...... are you still there or gone again now ??? (i guess your gone again)

also, people who were ranking nice but then Dissappeared late july ... are you BACK ranking nice again??? ( i guess your ranking nice again) ...

let us know if you fit those conditions ....

I've been bouncing daily between page 4 and page 8 for the past two weeks. Seems like I've settled on page 4 for the past 3 days (even tho sites with way worse stats than mine are on page 1. grrrrr...)

Also, JoeBob, we were page 1 before Feb, then dropped to page 15 until July. That's when we started dancing between page 4 & 8. I'm happy to say, so far, that it looks like we're not being thrown back down the black hole to the 15th page again. Sure wish I could explain why we lost our page 1 ranking: there are sites on page 1 with fewer BLs, less relevant anchor text, fewer pages, less frequently changing content, and PR0 (we're PR5).

Yea, the search results looks like it was from a few weeks ago.

Yes, see this thread Different algos on different Datacenters? from July 27th on this forum.



Todays results on the same bank of datacenters...

216.239.51.104 -position # ! (not found)
216.239.39.104 -position # ! (not found)
216.239.59.104 -position # ! (not found)
216.239.53.104 -position # 49
66.102.7.104 -position # 49
66.102.9.104 -position # 50
66.102.11.104 -position # 47
216.239.57.104 -position # 49

There still appears to be two distinct algoritums or variations of the same algorithum operating.

If the 2 algos are running in parallel, then that would explain the variance in results that was discovered. Ok, so let's say there really are 2 algos running 2 familes of "spiders", can we say the results are skewed?

I just can't see the possibility of 2 algos because of consistency factor that must be considered by Google. No matter where you search within Google, once the flux stopped should yield same results. Is there such a thing as algo-propagation?

Dispite all of the work in engineering. Dispite all of the work in Designing!

You still have to test fly the plane, Orville

:grin:

I don't believe Google would want to run two algoritums as a standard operating procedure.

But, I do believe that they do eventially have to test their changes on the real interent. Sometimes, these test "flights" don't go very far.

Caryl