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Old April 18th, 2004, 03:12 AM
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Hi,Could you please take a look at Internet directory Ajdee.com (http://www.ajdee.com) and tell us what do you think?
We are conducting this research in order to find out more about what people think about our directory.
Constructive criticism is always welcome.

Thank you.

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Old April 18th, 2004, 04:58 AM
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i see you fixed the submit cgi. still a big pause...but it loaded.

2.
ok....now that the submit form loaded. it says $25 for a commercial site submittal. you must be joking. you have a pr5 index page...a handful of listings...and you want me to shell out $25 to get a listing. not gonna happen.

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ok...now i am in a bad mood.
your site tag line is "directory of carefully selected websites"
what does that mean....anyone who forks over the $25?

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your 'site of the month' doesnt even load.

5.
what does 'ajdee' mean?
it doesnt add anything to the branding of your site as a directory.

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your regional should at least go to state divisions.
the lowest category available is now is 'north america'.

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the webmasters page....i hate anchor jumps.

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the site layout and organization is simple.
thats good.

9.
the site pages load quickly.
that is good.

10.
i would not pay for a directory listing.
i especially would not pay $25 to be listed in a brand new directory with a pr5 index page and a handful of listings.


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Old April 18th, 2004, 01:53 PM
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Relaxzoolander, thank you very much for your review. This is the kind of review we are exactly looking for. Let me comment on your response. Ajdee.com is still in very early development stage. It is a fully functional site, but with very basic features, and many problems and bugs. We are going to use this first year to promote the site, expand it and make it as perfect as possible.



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1. i see you fixed the submit cgi. still a big pause...but it loaded.
We tested load speed of "submit cgi" from 10 different locations using different systems, configurations and internet connections. It loads up in about 5 sec on 56K connection, and in 2 seconds on 256K connection. I agree with you that this needs to be improved, specially for dial-up connections. We will work to improve load time. What OS, browser, networked or stand alone computer and connection are you using?




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2. ok....now that the submit form loaded. it says $25 for a commercial site submittal. you must be joking. you have a pr5 index page...a handful of listings...and you want me to shell out $25 to get a listing. not gonna happen.
I understand your point of view, however our site has been online for 3 months and it is PR5 already. This means that we are doing something right. It will not stay on PR5 forever because we are working very hard every day to improve it. Also our database is very small right now, but it will grow substantially in the next 9 months. Most of the commercial sites will payoff the investment with just one good referral from our site. Since the fee is not recurring the chances of something like that happening are very high. Specially if you consider that our only job is to make the site better and bring more users every day.




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3. ok...now i am in a bad mood. your site tag line is "directory of carefully selected websites" what does that mean....anyone who forks over the $25?
On our "submit a site" page we state:" Your payment, does not guarantee that your site will be included in the directory." This is the very last line before the submit form. I hope this answers your question.





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4. your 'site of the month' doesn't even load.
Unfortunately this is one of the risks of having feature as "site of the month". We try to choose "stable" sites, but it could happen to any site to be down. It is Universal Studios website and it is back online now.



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5.what does 'ajdee' mean?
it doesn't add anything to the branding of your site as a directory.
Google, Kazza etc... didn't mean anything as well. Besides there are so many sites with meaningful name but no contest or success at all. Ajdee is the first word the site's founder daughter ever said. She didn't come up with the meaning yet. I'll let you know when she does.




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6. your regional should at least go to state divisions. the lowest category available is now is 'north america'.
That is very true. This category as many others will be greatly improved in next 9 months.




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7.the webmasters page....i hate anchor jumps.
What would you recommend here?




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8. the site layout and organization is simple. thats good.
Simple is our motto.




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9. the site pages load quickly. that is good.
It is a must. I would add.




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10. i would not pay for a directory listing.
i especially would not pay $25 to be listed in a brand new directory with a pr5 index page and a handful of listings.
I addressed this in answer # 2.



Thank you for your input. We hope to hear more.



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Old April 18th, 2004, 05:37 PM
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the issue i have with paying is that there are plenty of free directories. the pr5 is not the main issue.

i doubt if you will be refusing the $25 in many cases.

i still disagree with you about the name...google and kazza have huge marketing budgets.

anchor jumps...do something else.
simply list the questions and answers on the page.
i can scroll down just find to see what question i need.
it beats all the jumping up and down.


no. 10 was my summary. not a repeat.

like i said...good luck.
i would be happy to be in your directory if my listing is free.
feel free to contact me [pm] if you want my listings.
thanks!


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Old April 18th, 2004, 07:08 PM
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Hello,

You have a nice web site, but when you have to use your credit card to submit a
Noncommercial Website I fear you will have a hard time getting people to submit.

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Old April 19th, 2004, 01:05 AM
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the issue i have with paying is that there are plenty of free directories. the pr5 is not the main issue.
I think it is all about the value. What is the point of having your site listed for free if you don't get any hits from that site. We paid $300 recurring fee to Yahoo and in first 3 months we already paid off our investment.




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i doubt if you will be refusing the $25 in many cases.
It is not matter of refusing. People are paying for site review, we don't refund any money even if the site is rejected. And you are right when you say that we will not be refusing many sites, but the reason is because everybody will think twice before submitting some junk site.




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like i said...good luck.
Thank you.




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You have a nice web site, but when you have to use your credit card to submit a
Noncommercial Website I fear you will have a hard time getting people to submit.

If you click on 3. Nonprofit organizations sites link on https://www.ajdee.com/cgi-bin/LinksSQL/add.cgi page it will take you to the place where you can submit your nonprofit site without using your credit card.

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Old April 19th, 2004, 01:25 AM
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It is not matter of refusing.
People are paying for site review,
we don't refund any money even if the site is rejected.
And you are right when you say that we will not be refusing many sites, but the reason is because everybody will think twice before submitting some junk site.

then you absolutely need to make this clear on your site...right now you do not.

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Old April 19th, 2004, 01:29 AM
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Hello,...

sorv...your sig link is missing a trailing '/' to make it work correctly for some reason.




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Old April 19th, 2004, 01:50 AM
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Because you paid more to list in a larger directory others should pay to list in yours? That is nothing but some sort of multi level marketing. Without focus and/or adding of many QUALITY resources, your site will be nothing more than people renting links.

It is fine if that is what you want it to be, but in that case with your current logic shouldn't you be renting some high PR links? Shouldn't your homepage PR be greater than a 5? Shouldn't they just be renting their links elsewhere?

People are not going to want to link to it free if you are so set on profit. Grow the directory...then grow profits. So many people on the internet look for the payoff without spending time to build value or build a reputation. It may work OK, but in the long run it would work much better if you wanted to build something of value vice becomming just another middleman.
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Old April 19th, 2004, 02:26 AM
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I think you will slowly get sites to sign up and pay the $25... but not me.

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Old April 19th, 2004, 06:00 AM
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Hi Ajdee,

Many thanks for your (non-profit) link - it came up very quickly. I have a few helpful ideas:

Search engine stuff:

Your pages lack html structure. It should help a little if you use H1 and H2 headings for titles, and p for paragraphs. Search engines attach more importance for text in h1s and h2s.

Otherwise, inbound links are largely good quality (avoiding "free link exchange" pages). Titles have keywords in for each page. Links have keywords in. The site is very accessible - you can get around with nice text links.

I would say think about keywords that people would search to find your info. Are they all covered in titles and content?

General stuff:

Your submission page is not intuitive. I filled in the submission form and then couldn't find a box to click for "non-profit". I would try to add a box for that, or make it obvious before filling in the form that visitors should go elsewhere for non-profit.

Your system seems to be very manual (at least for non-profit). I would have used a database to that visitors can add their own content, just leaving you to click an approved box in the admin section.

Your site is unusual in charging to for non-commercial sites - nobody else charges to list non-commercial sites. Don't think all that many people will apply to this, but that might not be a problem for you.

The e-mail you sent back to me was from "linksmanager". I realise you are not using Links Manager - but the address hints at link farms, bad neighbourhoods etc. I would change your e-mail name to "ajdee directory" or something.

You ask for an E-mail address in the submission process. Make it very clear that the address will not be passed to anybody else or used for SPAM. I thought twice before submitting, but I'm sure you are a trustworthy guy.


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I want make some comments about your site strategy!
1- Your name is good for this job!
2- Your design seems like a blue version of the DMOZ! , i think you must think a better and different design rather than the big directories.
3- You require Noncommercial Website US$5.00 + Commercial Website US$25.00 to add site :-? Arent you go so fast to start paid listing! You may require backlinks instead the money until everyone have a knowledges about your directory.
Others ok!

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For a directory thats just begininng I dont understand why you would charge for a submission. The directory is in BETA amd has a low PR for now. I would think you wanted as many submissions as possible to get the name out and gain some PR. Imagine the amount of backlinks and submissions you would get just from SEOs if you had a free submittion program. When you have a huge index and PR is when you charge users because the $25 bux is worth something.

I think your only shooting yourself in the foot right now.
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Old April 21st, 2004, 01:12 AM
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Relaxzoolander - You are saying that we don't make clear enough that the fee is for the review, not for listing. The last line before submit form says "Your payment, does not guarantee that your site will be included in the directory." The submission agreement just 2 lines above submit form says:" Your payment does not guarantee that your site will be included in the directory, it guarantees your site will be reviewed within 7 days.". Do you think, that is not enough? I would like to hear other opinions about this also.

awall19 - You made more than few excellent points there, but you misunderstood my statement about paying $300 to Yahoo. We are not set on profit at all.