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Old April 21st, 2004, 04:13 AM
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At least 100 sites listed in the shopping section and if their all paying $25 that's a nice chunk of change so I can't really say anything bad about it. I wouldn't list on it because of this however. Plenty of free directories out there.

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Old April 22nd, 2004, 12:01 AM
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For a directory thats just begininng I dont understand why you would charge for a submission. The directory is in BETA amd has a low PR for now. I would think you wanted as many submissions as possible to get the name out and gain some PR. Imagine the amount of backlinks and submissions you would get just from SEOs if you had a free submittion program. When you have a huge index and PR is when you charge users because the $25 bux is worth something.

I think your only shooting yourself in the foot right now.

exactly....getting as many people to add listings as possible is a bonus and will only add to the value of the site.
the site is a resource...the more sites in it...the better the resource...the more value.
right now...as a resource...its useless for it has only a handful of listings. why would i use it?

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Old April 22nd, 2004, 12:03 AM
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You are saying that we don't make clear enough that the fee is for the review, not for listing. The last line before submit form says "Your payment, does not guarantee that your site will be included in the directory." The submission agreement just 2 lines above submit form says:" Your payment does not guarantee that your site will be included in the directory, it guarantees your site will be reviewed within 7 days.". Do you think, that is not enough? I would like to hear other opinions about this also.

no...this is not clear enough.
i read this on my first visit and was not sure then about it.
all you need to do is say...this 'fee is non-refundable'.
that will make the message loud and clear.

more importantly...its a bogus thing to do.
if you reject the site...then why do i still have to pay.
i am paying for your review time....thats ridiculous.
you got this 'pie in the sky' vision about the status level of your site that just isnt true at the moment.
you make me pay to be in a directory that is not a valuable resource to anyone yet....
...and you have the nerve to keep my money if you reject my site to cover the costs of your review.
thats a nice dream...a preposterous nice dream.


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In all fairness to Ajdee, they have claimed that they have a new and different business model that is highly confidential. Maybe we all in the end will say: "WOW, were we dumb. Look at what Ajdee has done!" I respect that. However I cannot, for the life of me, think of a model that would confirm their approach.

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Old April 22nd, 2004, 12:44 AM
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if you reject the site...then why do i still have to pay.
i am paying for your review time....thats ridiculous.
you got this 'pie in the sky' vision about the status level of your site that just isnt true at the moment.
you make me pay to be in a directory that is not a valuable resource to anyone yet....
...and you have the nerve to keep my money if you reject my site to cover the costs of your review.


I agree with that as well because first off, the directory isn't that important to me at this time and second if i pay i expect to be listed. On the other hand if you were Yahoo than I would expect that sort of tactic BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YAHOO'S POLICY WITH THIS ALSO.

A directory that cannot do a free review is worthless and unethical. DMOZ I understand because it's free but how do I know one of my competitors is not reviewing my site on a paid directory?? It's all hypothatical but still it's to prove a point because I can easily find one or two sites that were accepted and prove my point. That can lead to a nasty lawyer squabble (for future reference ;))

You might have a good business plan but what your outlook on the future might be does not coinside with what the online community is looking for.

I'm not looking for a free submission (but I'll take one when given) but I think word of mouth will so alot for a business online. If abunch of SEOs pointed their fingers and said "submit here!!" than you can find yourself selling out alot of page impressions to many wanting advertisers (one of many possabilities) and in the future ask for a submission fee. All paid directories I know started free.

What I've learned from SEO is that you have to bite the bullet sometimes to get a name out and I think word of mouth advertising is worth alot more than 25 bucks. Sh*t I PAY my affiliates 100 bucks a lead because I know when I make a customer I keep one.

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Old April 25th, 2004, 11:02 AM
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Thank you all.

1. The main complain is that we charge for submission. Since we are completely (not like Google) advertising free this is only source of money from our site, and we have expenses, and the fee is very low, and it is one time fee, and we provide excellent fast service, we will not change it, at least not for now. I appreciate the suggestion.

2. We also think our name is very good and we will not change it.

3. We agree that our directory database is very small and we are working intensively on improving that.

4. We will remove anchor jumps from webmasters site. Thank you Relaxzoolander for the suggestion.

5. We will refund money if submission is rejected. Thank you Relaxzoolander for the suggestion, we thought about it, and you are right.

6. We will reanalyze our HTML structure and improve it. Vord thank you for the suggestion.

7. We will make non-profit sites submission easier. Thank you for the suggestion Vord.

8. We will change Linksmanager email address. Thank you for the suggestion Vord.

9. We will make clear about our privacy policy on non-profit submission form. Thank you Vord.

Thank you all very much for helping us to improve our directory. One more time I would like to offer free submission to everybody who posted in this thread. Just message me with the information.

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Old April 25th, 2004, 09:01 PM
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well...you got to give ajdee a bunch of credit for hanging in there while under fire from a lot of criticism.
thank you for the recap ajdee.
good luck.




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Old June 8th, 2004, 08:16 PM
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I personally like the way the site looks. I like the color scheme, the speed is great on my T1 line... lol The logo rocks the house in my opinion.

I would have to agree with everyone else on the charges. Most people will not want to pay for a listing. There are tons of established directories with high pr that offer free listing. What sets your apart to warrent the fees?

If you are dead set on charging fees, I'd suggest you at least have the OPTION of getting your site listed for free- even if you say it will take 8 weeks for inclusion. Perhaps the $25.00 fee can be a rapid 24 hour inclusion. Many people want instant gratification. So perhaps they will pay.

Overall its looking good.
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Old June 10th, 2004, 12:16 AM
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Thank you timothy911 for the kind words and for the criticism.

What sets Ajdee apart from other directories?

1. We don't sell our soul to the devil (sort of speak). Meaning money is not before everything else. For example, 2 weeks ago we got duplicate site submitted. It was actually the same site but in the different language. We could just list the site and keep $25 but we stuck to our principles and refunded the money. Just this alone sets us apart from at least 70%-80% of all commercial directories. Most of the sites would sell they own mother if they could (sort of speak).

2. No advertisements, not even Google AdWords.

3. Response time to submissions, site evaluation or emails. We are totally dedicated to our users and customers, meaning customer is the God.

4. Value. For example if commercial site pays one time $25 fee and than gets only 1 or 2 customers a year from Ajdee, that actually pay for they product. In 5 years they will get their investment back probably more than 500%. If the site is non-commercial $1 fee gets them listed within 24 hours (usually) if accepted . Think, what you can buy for $1 these days. Also by not allowing free submissions we blocked spam submissions, which gives us much more time to focus on more important things.
5. We are not here just for a short run. We are aware that our directory has a lot of room for improvement, and we are working every day to make it better.

I know that that many people will not agree, but I also know according to submissions that many people support this idea.

I will appreciate any critique or suggestion very much.

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Old June 10th, 2004, 11:04 AM
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ajdee,
are you planning on listing all sites alphabetically???? Why not by the amount of clicks and if they are new list them on top for abit to gain clicks and than place them accordingly??? If you dont you'll end up with alot of website that name themselves "AAA website title" so sites are closer to the top.

There needs to be a way to rank the sites other than by their title.

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are you planning on listing all sites alphabetically????
Yes all the listings are listed alphabetically.




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Why not by the amount of clicks and if they are new list them on top for abit to gain clicks and than place them accordingly???
I think that number of clicks option is prone to abuse even more than alphabetical option. The new listings where showing at the top for 3 day before, now after your post we reconsidered it and change it to 30 days. What do you think what would be the best time limit to keep the new listings on the top?





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If you don't you'll end up with alot of website that name themselves "AAA website title" so sites are closer to the top.
We consider that to be spam. If the site is submitted and we decide that the name is not appropriate we usually change the name or decline the site.




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Old June 14th, 2004, 01:05 PM
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he new listings where showing at the top for 3 day before, now after your post we reconsidered it and change it to 30 days. What do you think what would be the best time limit to keep the new listings on the top?


This should matter by the amount of traffic you get. Make sure everyone will have a chance to be seen. 30 days sounds about right. You can also use that as sales incentive. Some users will want to see results and traffic and I dont think you can show anything in 3 days.

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I've seen one site give credit to people who write articles on the topic they represent. The more professional articles that are written, the higher your placement. Of course you review and approve the articles before they show up in case they are just junk spam. I kind of like this concept. If there was a clean way to do this it could have quite a lot of appeal.

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Which directory is that. We'd submit an article. We've done that in business, a little pr, and it works, and we submitted suggestions to a topical directory and that has added traffic to our site.

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Old June 17th, 2004, 01:18 AM
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