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pick a decent competitive term...and we'll look at sites that are on page 5 to page 10.

I will only create about 30-35 backlinks that will be all profile links

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gazzahk did that for six months and got absolutely squat with "ONLY" sig links (which is still a forum link)... what can you possibly prove otherwise?

Make it worth my while... I got $10K that says you're wrong, and you have $10K that says you are right... and the winner gets both.
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pick a decent competitive term...and we'll look at sites that are on page 5 to page 10.

I will only create about 30-35 backlinks that will be all profile links


LOL... and your entrance fee?
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all for the sake of science, and proving you wrong lol



pick a decent term..not a highly competitive one

i'll pick a site on page 5 and out so everyone can the difference...maybe i'll even pick one on page 10

science project will take from 4days to 2 weeks at most.

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i'm picking the guide site on page 10 ;)

now give me at least 7 days to see 1 page change

i gotta go somewhere now but i'll do the links tonight, and send you the list as well

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i'm picking the guide site on page 10 ;)

now give me at least 7 days to see 1 page change

i gotta go somewhere now but i'll do the links tonight, and send you the list as well


Please post the url so everyone can see this develop.

I know what I know, and it unusual for me to "not know"... but I'm always open to learn.

Please track you data... and if you can show "ONLY" forum profiles, post or sig links (no footer, sidebar or header sitewide links) I'll pay you for your data.

However, if you intentionally point non-forum links (or the previous "no go" links from forums)... I'll find reasons to knock all your domains down to page 5 by pointing quality links to everyone else in results.

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Can a mod split this thread... this side topic is completely off topic to the opening post.

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the url is the engagementringguide site on page 10
(i gave the hint yesterday)

it was #6 on page 10..has moved to #4 on page 10

i added 15URLs all forum profile links

btw you dont have to pay me anything at all.

this is all for educational purposes

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Please post the url so everyone can see this develop.

I know what I know, and it unusual for me to "not know"... but I'm always open to learn.

Please track you data... and if you can show "ONLY" forum profiles, post or sig links (no footer, sidebar or header sitewide links) I'll pay you for your data.

However, if you intentionally point non-forum links (or the previous "no go" links from forums)... I'll find reasons to knock all your domains down to page 5 by pointing quality links to everyone else in results.

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i'm excited! looks like it moved another spot...let's hope it's not fluctuating for other reasons

i have about 18 links so far

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i'm excited! looks like it moved another spot...let's hope it's not fluctuating for other reasons

i have about 18 links so far


Excited?

The point here isn't to see something move from #96 to #31 (a theoretical example only)... no matter how competitive or uncompetitive a phrase is... top 10 is the only part that matters.

No one pays to be a bridesmaid on page 4... not even a virgin.

Landing on Mars and coming home safely is "IMPRESSIVE"... dying in a crash landing on Mars isn't a success in anyone's book.

Similarly, while 65 position change might seem impressive... "not getting into sales range" is a waste of my time, everyone elses time... and should also be a waste of your time.

...that's the point.
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i'm excited! looks like it moved another spot...let's hope it's not fluctuating for other reasons

i have about 18 links so far

How are you hoping to prove anything with this test? It's flawed from the start!

Rankings fluctuate from day to day and even more so on pages so far down the serps. How are you going to show that any improvement in rank is a result of the links that you are putting up?

You should have tracked the site on a daily basis for a couple of weeks and taken an average.

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before you said the links were completely worthless

the point of this test is to show that they are not completely worthless

don't try to through ROI in this...that's ANOTHER test.

the point is that if you can rank high for keywords then you can make $$$ by targeting the money keywords.

you can't say trying to rank for something is pointless


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Excited?

The point here isn't to see something move from #96 to #31 (a theoretical example only)... no matter how competitive or uncompetitive a phrase is... top 10 is the only part that matters.

No one pays to be a bridesmaid on page 4... not even a virgin.

Landing on Mars and coming home safely is "IMPRESSIVE"... dying in a crash landing on Mars isn't a success in anyone's book.

Similarly, while 65 position change might seem impressive... "not getting into sales range" is a waste of my time, everyone elses time... and should also be a waste of your time.

...that's the point.

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it's on page 10..what else do you want from it?

it has only about 80 backlinks..and i'm not doing any onpage optimization.

heck i dont even own/know the website

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How are you hoping to prove anything with this test? It's flawed from the start!

Rankings fluctuate from day to day and even more so on pages so far down the serps. How are you going to show that any improvement in rank is a result of the links that you are putting up?

You should have tracked the site on a daily basis for a couple of weeks and taken an average.

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it's on page 10..what else do you want from it?

it has only about 80 backlinks..and i'm not doing any onpage optimization.

heck i dont even own/know the website

I want you to prove your point, the fact is that with this set up its impossible!

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before you said the links were completely worthless


If you can't get to #1 or at least top 5 - I call that worthless.

We disagree on what level of development is preferred value.

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hmmm...

I get a plate of fries that cost me $5.00 I see that as value... and eat my plate of fries.

I drop 1 fry on the ground, and ignore it... you come racing along to grab it and gobble it up... "it was free" and that's the important value to you.

The point here though... "I'm full" ... my plate of fries filled me up... and you are still waiting to get more so you can claim a free lunch.

I believe I have the better food strategy.

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the point of this test is to show that they are not completely worthless


The point of this test is to build effect ranks... if you're claim to fame is merely "Page Two" that's worthless to anyone interested in having a proftable business...

Obviously though when profit isn't a concern "you'll settle for bottom feeding".

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don't try to through ROI in this...that's ANOTHER test.


I see no point testing "what doesn't work" unless you're proving why you shouldn't use it.

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the point is that if you can rank high for keywords then you can make $$$ by targeting the money keywords.


Ya - unfortunately, you haven't shown any money terms are achievable with just forum links.

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you can't say trying to rank for something is pointless


Ranking on page 2 as an end goal is pointless.

Getting to #1 in less time by not using forum links... is more desirable for everyone (other than you).
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