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Old May 20th, 2005, 07:41 PM
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Website Design needed

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Basically Im looking for someone who can put together a fresh design for a site im working on at the moment. Minimalistic, crisp and clean are the buzzwords. Ideally done with CSS no tables! , able to support all browsers right down to 800x600 res.

If you can PM with some recent work (as many CSS examples as possible) , your availability in approx 2-4 weeks and any other info you feel is needed it would be great. I will get back to you on theme of the site once you give me some refs.

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Old May 20th, 2005, 08:24 PM
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Old May 21st, 2005, 12:13 AM
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Hi all,

Basically Im looking for someone who can put together a fresh design for a site im working on at the moment. Minimalistic, crisp and clean are the buzzwords. Ideally done with CSS no tables! , able to support all browsers right down to 800x600 res.

If you can PM with some recent work (as many CSS examples as possible) , your availability in approx 2-4 weeks and any other info you feel is needed it would be great. I will get back to you on theme of the site once you give me some refs.

Thanks!


Just curious, why do you insist on CSS and no tables?
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Old May 21st, 2005, 12:40 AM
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css is better for seo reasons as the search engines seem to prefer it to tables as tables are a bit bulky.

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Mick, I think Im one step behind ya... ;)

I always thought that tables can be bad since the bots will go through the entire table first, before moving on, so tables within tables can make things tricky regarding the page layout.

One way to get around this is to put your links, navigation on the right side rather than the left. When using tables, then your content gets crawled first, before your navigation. This is especially good for sites with sub-pages that target specific keywords.

I use tables all the time, personally I like them a lot! Aslong as you keep those tables simple, I think you'll be ok.

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Tables are fine usually but not in this case. Strictly speaking they are supposed to be used for tabular data only. This design will need to load fast and be easily editable - CSS lends itself well to this as well as being quite SEO friendly.
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I was thinking about redesigning all my websites from tables to CSS but that is a humongous job. I need to learn how to do it, and then there is so many pages to redesign.


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CSS can be pretty daunting sometimes...and thats before you start to think about cross browser compatibility. I started small with some of my sites and gradually converted over time. It has definitely paid off

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If anyone ever writes a generic tables2css converter he/she will get a lot of kudos (and cash - I reckon) Must say I'm catching on...

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I may be interested. Please let me know if the position is filled. My web design site is an example of a css menu www.sfc-webdesign.com

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I hear you all, and the move away from tables to css is daunting....but I've found much much help, forum wise and pointers too at -- http://www.csscreator.com/css-forum/forum5.html

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For crawling purposes, add an extra empty table cell at the top left corner, you'll get your main content crawled before your menu (assuming it is on the left), which I assume is what you want. This is because the spider reads from top left to bottom right, kind of like we all read.

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If anyone ever writes a generic tables2css converter he/she will get a lot of kudos (and cash - I reckon) Must say I'm catching on...


Just couldn't resist butting in here... I know this is not the best of 'first posts', but here goes anyway:


I happened to come across this post while googling for the phrase tables2css. Interestingly, I was googling to make sure no one has a company or a s/w named that, because that's what I wanted to name my little script, which does it's best to automatically convert table-layouts to CSS ones.

It's still in a very early stage and nowhere near being fully-powered and complete. However,

<blatant self-promotion>
if you're really interested, you could try looking at it here.
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Well, hope this helps someone, somewhere. As an aside, should I be making a separate topic to discuss this? I hope it's not downright out-of-place.

Cheers!

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Normally I would say 'look at the dates of the thread posts' [almost a year old]... but your project script sounds very interesting.

If you need beta testers - would love an advance copy.

I code in raw text - grew up with it and hate WYSIWYGs as they tend to embed extra code when you don't wish it.

That said: if a script can 'convert' tables layouts to div efficiently it is sure to be a big hit!!!

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