Page 2 - WANTED - Performance-Based SEO

Well no offense, but I wasn't necessarily offering to you.

As for taking risks, I take risks every day. I took risks building the business, re-investing, and investing in multiple advertising, PR, and branding initiatives. As for why I am not willing to take a "risk" on SEO, I believe that my views on that were already stated previously quite well.

I never said I wasn't accountable for marketing my own business, you wouldn't know the first thing about it apparently, and I don't really feel the need to justify myself to you or anyone else on this forum, and certainly not divulge what I do for my business on a public forum.

I believe perhaps it is YOU who have missed the whole point of this discussion (though others who I am chatting with as a result of this thread have clearly NOT missed that point). You will notice from the topic title posted, Performance-Based SEO that that is what I am looking for. I'm not looking for you to try and convince me that my business model is a good one or not, I couldn't really care less what you think since right now you're a nameless and faceless person to me. Perhaps your advice is that which I should heed and I'm not so arrogant to think otherwise, but I do find it quite interesting that you have taken such an interest to convincing me I am wrong and really I see that that's not helping either of us, so let's just can it shall we? You can feel free to discuss the merits of what you do in another thread that isn't titled, WANTED: Performance-Based SEO work.

Thanks!

And BTW, please don't be so arrogant to assume that you are the "best", whether you have a #1 google spot or not. That spot will come and will go, just the same as fortunes in anything. Its not when you're up that makes you great, its when you're down and knowing how to get up that sets you apart.

I don't care much if you could promote my business with a million dollar budget. A MONKEY could promote my business with a million bucks and make money. I am interested in somebody daring, confident, and skilled enough to make me alot of money without taking a lot of money ... and willing to sacrifice potential hundreds and/or thousands of $$$s in fees upfront to potentially make tens, if not hundreds of thousands. Seems like a trade-off somebody will be interested, and if that's not you, then great for you!

Cheers all, and again, if there are still others out there who have yet to contact me regarding this offer/interest, please do.

Thanks all!

Your suggestion re: affiliates is great, but we already do lots of affiliate work and I certainly wouldn't trade that for SEO, just like I wouldn't trade SEO for affiliates. They are two different streams of lead/customer/revenue generation.

Great stuff - love hearing success stories! ;)

Nevidia -

Think first of those who have preceeded you - coming to this forum and many like it with your request. You must have some way to 'stand out' from the crowd of people requesting these types of services.

Fathom is not only a venerated and knowledgable member, but also an excellent SEO. SEOChat is not his site, and he's not attempting to optimize for that phrase, however, he does rank at #1 spots for the terms he has targeted.

My company does exactly what you propose - we do SEO (and web development, hosting, ppc management, usability studies, etc) for several sites on a purely commission basis.

However, we CHOOSE our clients, precisely because it is important to have a realistic understanding of the limits of SEO, the possibilities, and the neccessary inputs.

None of our clients have an ad budget of $0 - they all assign between $5K and $20K a month for us to designate and spend as we see fit. In this type of a model, real results can be achieved. What you have proposed is just wishful thinking. Hopefully, no company or individual will sign up with such ridiculous requirements and unfair terms. Putting money into an escrow account is a ludicrous and transparent attempt at making your offer seem more reasonable.

I hope that you think long and hard, rather than reacting emotionally and realize the validity of the criticism you have experienced here.

Same here...this is like doing affiliate marketing for a client who contacts us. We also do a lot of affiliate marketing generating $xx,xxx monthly income, and we need to actively work to decide which companies we do affiliate marketing for....because using organic SEO, it takes a lil time to shoot up sales, but if the company does not pay or is low in funds etc etc, we loose the benefit of what we did.

Just the Amazon aff program if worked on WELL, generates a good high x,xxx number... every quarter!!

Why should the SEO work hard for long time to enhance the other company's property without some assured compensation? Working under the business model presented in the opening post it is only fair for the SEO to own the site - and I guess that would make the SEO an affiliate.

I read this post and thought want the heck does this Nevidia think. Heck cut me in on this deal I can stand thousands of new orders and I will pay you when I get them.

Nevida how about setting me up with a dedicated server do all the set up ;set me up a secure server put all my information on it let me try you out for a year and if I am satisfied I will pay you. Prove yourself first to me you are a service provider.

This is what you are asking someone to do for you. You are a new company and I can see new to the forum, I suggest you hire someonte to help you in the SEO of your company as the way you are going you will need it.
God Bless Joe

This is actually a great potential idea. Maybe this is what dougedoug was referring to earlier but I missed that if so.

I see your point on that this way you are generating the value for your own site, but then in this case, why wouldn't you already be doing this if you were interested there are tons of companies that offer strong services and good revenue sharing.

We're not a new company by any stretch of the imagination, but yes I am new to this forum.
Actually, that's pretty much what I was looking to do so thanks for the suggestion, wasn't that what the first post stated?

I see the point you are attempting to make, and on the service it seems valid. Why should you offer a risk-free service when I don't. In this case, you are wrong ... since we do offer a risk-free service backed up by VISA, MC, and AMEX and if I don't make good then THEY will give you your money back. You don't need to rely on me.

In the SEO industry, many offer a money-back, but the terms aren't clear and your relying on the individual business to make good on its commitments. Not to mention, as perviously stated, for a strong SEO campaign you are talking in 4 digits, a dedicated box is a couple hundred a month tops :-)

I can see why a request list this wouldn't be so enticiting for a well-established SEO, but that's fine and that's not really what I need necessarily. There's lot of very well qualified individuals who haven't made it yet and are looking for a chance, any chance, to get to where they want to me. For them, this might be that chance. If i was an SEO making 10 million bucks a year, I wouldn't be interested either .... I hardly think every SEO out there is so sucessful they wouldn't be willing to take a chance to make it.

Anyway its all basically a moot point, I already have 5 proposals so I'm not particularily worried about it. I just find it interesting that some individuals on this board are so entrenched in their own specific way of doing business that they find it hard to enlarge their context and realize that not everybody does business like they do and there are other's out there looking for different types of opportunities.

SEO is just an additional untapped potential source of leads and revenue generation that we are seeking to explore.

My candor "can" take some time to get used to Nevidia - but I haven't been attempting to sway you in any way.

No matter what - the only way you get what you wish is "content" & "links" and you don't have much of either.

I would believe that a "host" with vertical solutions can get tons of links "from clients" and often the upper end tend to have large websites (thus large repositories of webpages).

Links alone though don't produce much these days (quickly) but content does as it allows you to capitalize on two phenomenons:

1. volumes of "once only used search terms", and

2. fresh crawling

Either ways - original copywriting is required and no SEO (even large firms) can dedicate themselves to this task - alone... and without return on their investment and the ones that would - would keep the content - point the links to you -- covering both requirements... and I guarantee you will be so far indebted to them that you will not likely see fruition yourself.

That's the reality of performance - particularly in your situation as you will likely not see any real value until well into the future and as the SEO has dedicated to this, what - 6 months to a year without compensation if they stick with it yours will be far less.

"Just links" will work but "just links" is less effective.

I'm glad you have 5 proposals - use all 5 - you will need them.