Stop picking on them

Some of you will probably get pissed by this post but I have to say I am really disappointed in the way you attack ignorant people when they ask for SEOs. Over the last year some of these people have contacted me personally and they are really looking for a fair deal and don't know where to go. SEO Chat ranks very well for [seo] so these poor people expect answers here.

Sure some of them are looking for a "deal" or whatever or have the wrong expectations but this is a great place for beginning SEOs to pick up some work and learn some knowledge-knocks. I know I sure did.

People come here to learn. Most of the people asking for such services barely know what SEO is let alone how it works or how to ask the right question. A little courtesy could really make this community a much brighter spot.

Or maybe remove this forum. Or add a sticky disclaimer letting people know about the dangers of hiring online but honestly most of them know that already.

My 2 cents.

You wrote the bitter truth..Good one.. you deserve 2 dollars then 2 cents.. lol.. btw well said.. although i dont fall in the category you talking abt but.. i like the way you brought up the fact..

yup, I too think that sometimes, some folks here do jump on a post, with the intent to belittle the posters knowledge....based of course on their own exp with SEO.

awhile back, I think I posted here a message that told about buyers at rentacoder, asking for SEO work for like $15..."get me the #1 listing on Google for real estate and I'll pay you $15 US.." this lack of knowledge I'm afraid, is quite ubiquitous when it comes to SEO and that's something most should realize.

but, I note that in many exp posters here, your sigs carry links to some pretty good SEO sites where a newbie could learn and find out enough to perhaps either slow down or end the posts here that seem to attract the kind of demeaning posts that occur.

perhaps then a MOD here, might compile a list of those great SEO sites and post it as as sticky, that would show the newbies where to get some knowledge...and then all one might have to do is to say 'read the top post' to learn about SEO before you make your newbie posts?

Jim

I realize that and am always nice to members(the ones in need of advise). And yes I will jump all over a new member if they try and get seo clients on the forums without providing proof. I have seen too many people get ripped off. These new members don't know so need somebody to tell them.


Or maybe remove this forum. Or add a sticky disclaimer letting people know about the dangers of hiring online but honestly most of them know that already.

Actually you don't realize how many of these people would hire one of these crooks of a professional didn't tell them better. Believe me I have seen a webmaster who got ripped off twice from two different 'seo'.

I will still jump down anyones throat who cannot provide substantial proof of being a real seo. So far I have not found one on seochat(that posts for clients)

Greetings rmccarley,

I totally agree with you.

Infact I was surprised with the bombarding of comments from the SO CALLED SEO EXPERTS on this board.

What I would suggest is atleast know whether the poster has an SEO knowledge .

I really wonder how do people on this board think that if a newbie replies to a webmaster offering him SEO services , the webmaster immediatley replies to him and hands over him the SEO payment.

Common Guy's No Webmaster Is So Dumb and infact most of the webmasters are aware of SEO spam or themsleves Do Not Pay Without Seeing The Results First.

Best Regards,
Steve

Please stop referring to them/us as 'so called seo experts' Most of these such as Fathom,egol(which hasn't posted in here yet), Gary, Incdev etc have proven themselves. They are not always correct and we all disagree at times but all of them provide good advise and do know seo. And I can tell you right now they could get paid for their advise or atleast spend their time working on their own site instead of here but they don't.

We are giving you the opportunity to prove your SEO knowledge. Post in the forums, help out a newbie.



I really wonder how do people on this board think that if a newbie replies to a webmaster offering him SEO services , the webmaster immediatley replies to him and hands over him the SEO payment.
Because we have seen hundreds go through this forum with only one purpose to get clients whether to rip them off or whether they are honestly trying but still clueless on seo.


Common Guy's No Webmaster Is So Dumb and infact most of the webmasters are aware of SEO spam or themsleves Do Not Pay Without Seeing The Results First.
Actually not true. Many webmasters can be ripped off. If they need seo they probably don't know much about seo so anyone could give them a story and they would believe it.

I've never attacked someone looking for an SEO, i think it's the other way around, ppl looking for SEO work.

I'll tell you one thing... I reviewed your posts total on this website and they all consist of either hire me or are defensive in nature (such as this post), and 4 of your posts were deleted and the majority of those posts have negative comments.

You may be a great seo but there isn't much (general or specific in nature) that you have provided in constructive comments.

What most of these experts are saying to new webmasters is true. Look around, find someone who offers intelligent advice and approach him. Or if you plan on contacting someone give them every opportunity to check you out on SeoChat or anywhere else for that matter.

I often find that the regulars here are warning newbies (who are asking for professional SEO help) that they might get responses from SEO quacks and other types of non-contributors.

I can't recall a post by anyone whose opinion I value where he/she was giving a newbie some stick for asking for professional aid. Do you have an example, Randy, or is this more like a general uneasy feeling you're getting from the SEO Pro posts posted here?

The point is WE* are the experts. They are asking for help because they don't want to learn this crap themselves. And anyone that does take on SEO work for clients should encourage this - it's just good business.

But when you attack potential clients you do a lot of harm to the industry as a whole. Because SC ranks so well for the KWs it has people looking for those services take the responses posted here seriously. You don't represent just you - you represent the industry. Client work will bring SEO out of the shadows, not popular forums. After all, the forum is a niche but web sites can cross all kinds of boundaries.

It is a trend I have noticed. Even silencing the "unproven" can be done more tactfully and professionally.

But like I said above - IMO.

* Used subjectively

While true... the forum itself is truly a learning environment so the 'deal' is reading, and asking questions about how to better represent your website to to search engines thus gain market share.

It is 100% unproductive to post a request for services (deal or not) based solely on SEOChat's ranks since SEOChat itself does not vouch, attest, promise, guarantee, justify, authorize, certify, support, authenticate or warranty any membered SEO whether they are professionals, amateurs, or learners.

That's an important statement since the collective developments of DevShed and the membership as a whole produced "said ranks" thus the illusion to uninformed people is posting here a request for services - any public or private solicitation must be "good" since SEOChat's ranks are superb is not an affirmation that they will receive their desirable affect.



Nothing wrong with learners... so long and the person receiving 'on-the-job' learned services understand just that.



Exactly! But sugar-coating it more often than not means they "will get burnt" and the aftermath of that has been repeated here with as much vocal and far little courtesy than "you did your best - thanks"

It works both ways... IMHO



Most of them truly know absolutely quat - and one reason I am openly hard on SEOs that solicit them without so much as offering any insights... not because they are poor SEOs, and not because I know anything about their professionalism -- that the point... service soliciting in near total anonymity in absolutely, catalogically wrong.

In the forum venue (here) purely self-promotion posts are not allowed... but when a member requests services...well other members well go back to requests posted in 2003 and say "Hire me" (and that happens alot as well) bearing that in mind - how important is the "details" to these members? If they can't read a clearly displayed time stamp (some threads with 30+ posts) how much faith should one assign to their level of attention to details if gaining a client?

So you are not "wrong" but at the same time:

Members learning SEO need to "learn first" and then show what they have learned... before I (as an active senior member) will let them bend the rules, and

Members seeking service providers (when they are not overly clear on what they wish) will categoricially, arrogantly, and without any sugar set them straight - so they will be better prepared with informed knowledge - it's a risky strategy in the best of times and no one can remove that risk from them... and "if" and "when" they do get had... don't come back here mowning about paying and getting nothing in return - because that was "precisely" what you asked for.