Outsourcing...

I am looking for a couple of companies off shore to out source some coding work to...

Coding has become too expensive in LA, so if you are a coder in india or europe please reply

Remember you get what you pay for.
Dont think of the cost but the value you will get out of it.

Not always, Mike. My team pretend to provide better service than many US providers at a much lower price. I am immodest, i know

Ah,, thats different.
I find that a lot of the indians come up with inferia work.
There are some fantastic coders and designers coming out of bulgaria at the moment.

The work I've gotten out of India (and not only have I hired 500 or so programmers in my "previous life" but I've also tried hiring a dozen or so for small projects since going it alone) has been dismal. Uncommented code. Horrible naming conventions. Improper spacing, capitialization. Horrible logic (200 lines of code when 20 well written lines would do) and much more. Now don't get me wrong -- I've had as many poor American coders working for me, but percentage wise, the numbers are staggering.

And not to just pick on Indian programmers, I've had horrible luck with Russians, French know-it-alls, and English programmers as well. Some of the best programmers I've worked with have been from Australia or Canada. I have seen a direct corelation in pay verses quality, and I have also seen those overpricing themselves (esp. from India) just to appear as better programmers.

I've come up with some fairly easy tests that I have started asking of any programmer before hiring them. I ask them to create me two functions... a TitleCase function and a SentenceCase function, that should accept a paragraph of text as input. It's a very easy project for most any programmer, and it's nice to be able to see programming styles and the results -- and you would not believe the crap I've seen (oddly, most of it from high priced programmers). About 30% of the submissions are copied from a website (they stick out like sore thumbs). Every now and then (about 1 in 50) I find a programmer who returns a nice, short function that handles anything I throw at it with properly written code, proper naming convention, etc.

Good luck hiring someone!

S

Its just because everyone is programming these days. It is hard to find good pros.

You also gotta be careful hiring someone to do design work. Some of the folks who sell this service will grab copyrighted images and use them in your design.

This thread is somthing similar to http://forums.seochat.com/t39346/s.html
Please note that there are unprofessionals all around the world. Not only in India and Bulgaria.
I'm currently optimizing some outsourced US sites and we are outranking most of the competitors. But, this isnt visible to the outside world as people think that those pages are optimized by american seo's.
Though we make enough money for our work, the person who outsourced the work to us is considered to be running one of the top seo firm in california.

Mick! Oursource your seo orders to me. Get superior results.

One problem with India is that the best & brightest programmers were hired full-time by the big companies a long time ago. As the need for talent grew, the next tier of less qualified programmers were snatched. Now they're down to the "rejects" and completely unskilled newbies. Finding a very talented programmer or SEO person who isn't already gainfully employed is either rare or an expensive proposition, because you would have to recruit them away from whatever commitments they already serve. Then you have an issue of loyalty. If they left their employer for you, how loyal can they be?

Andrew

I have yet to hear something positive coming out of outsourcing.
I occasionally try it and by the time i have spent explaining it and stopping them trying to rip me off icould have done it myself.

See my most recent blog post.
http://www.syndk8.co.uk/2005/08/24/people-keep-trying-to-con-money-out-of-me-on-the-internet/

Sheesh,, i am getting as bad as the monkey

It's fairly easy, the programmers that don't advertise themselves are the best, best webdesigners don't have time to finish their own site. Best SEO company is the one that ranks last for the term 'SEO'.

Please be able to relativate this post a little, but I bet I'm not far of the truth...

well, my company site its the worst i have build thats why i don't have it in my signature this is true 100%

look what I started,,, all I wanted was a little discount coding work

No help just people complaining

I think you pushed a hot button with a lot of people.
Good luck in finding a coder afer all thet you have just read.