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Old August 15th, 2004, 07:43 PM
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Good Evening,

We are in need of a SEO expert for our firm.

If you are available full time and have at least 5+
years experience, please inquire.

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Matt, I don't think you will find any SEOs like this, I'd recommend you give at least a small idea of what you are looking for. No specifics, just a vague idea of what keywords you are interested in targeting, what kind of website do you need optimizing, etc.

And 5 year experience is just too much to ask for. Several people here only have one or 2 years experience, and they have incredible amounts of knowledge.
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Old August 15th, 2004, 08:20 PM
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fryman,

Good point on the experience...

Looking for an SEO who will focus on links for his full time job with us...

Gambling keywords...5-10 different websites...

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Old August 16th, 2004, 01:32 AM
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Is it? I personally have very bad experiences about hiring / working with people who have less than 2-3 years of serious experience either by hobby or work. They might know the basics and couple of handy tricks, but when it comes to long term, disciplined team work they fail one way or another.
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I agree with 2k.

I also have the best experiences when working with persons with several years of experience. If we some day in the future were to hire somebody fulltime we would require a relevant five year degree or a three year degree and atleast one year fulltime work experience. Personally I think CS majors have the best educational background to quickly learn the needed skills and gain experience, but if we think of SEM/SEO a business major might do as well (once the poor bastard learns how to code).

(Added: A good SEO with five years of experience, often have a net income 2 or 3 times higher than the stipulated 80.000 USD)

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Old August 16th, 2004, 08:20 AM
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If someone is an "SEO Expert" with 5 years experience I would think that they could produce $60K on their own? If you are going to pay them $60K then would they not need to generate well more than that for you?

My point with this is that all SEOs are not equal. Some have greater knowledge, some work harder and some have superior knowledge and work their asses off. I don't think that the really good ones should make a full time commitment to a company for a flat rate. They are selling themselves short that way.

So, in this highly competetive game, where being #1 has an enormously greater reward than being #6 you might consider offering a piece of the action rather than paying a wage. That's how you get good people interested and build a relationship that neither of you will want to break.

Pay them flat rate if you want a 9 to 5 worker. Give them a piece of the pie if you want a hard working tiger who will invest in his/her personal knowledge and work just as hard for you as they would work if doing the job for themselves.
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Um, yea 5 years experience would require lots of money. But there are many SEOs who work for SEO companies for under 60k.

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This is why EGOL is the man

The best SEOs only take seo contracts for a little extra income, and even then, only if the monthly fee is significant.

EGOL is absolutely right. My colleagues and I work primarily for ourselves. If you can rank well for competitive and lucrative keywords why not make money for yourself instead of lining the pockets of your employer.

In fact, my most successful colleagues (webmasters/seo) don't do any seo consulting or design work. They make too much money on advertising and sales to waste their valuable time taking on clients.

For example, my average SEO clients spends roughly $500/month. My average proprietary website generates $500/month in advertising profit alone within 3-4 months. I have 6 of these sites right now, and as soon as my partner and I can increase our monthly revenue with these sites and create a few new sites we will discontinue our design and seo consulting unless a client is willing to spend the big money.

I've got a colleague who surfs all day in central america. He doesn't do design or seo consulting. Why would he? His own sites generate enough income for him to provide for himself and his loved ones (and then some).

You'll have a tough time finding someone with 5 years of seo experience that is willing to work 9 to 5. That's just my humble opinion though.
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Points are well taken and thank you all for the detailed responses. When we
say full time, we do not mean arrive at the office at 8:59AM and punch out
no earlier than 5:00PM. Full Time, meaning year round work, possible 2-4
year position.

The majority of the work will be a Link Swap Campaign. If you feel you are
worth more than 60-80k, we will gladly negotiate higher pay. Bonuses
would be awarded based on the results. Regarding the 5 years experience,
we will gladly consider any resumes.

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If your goal is just link swap you can spend money on link popularity service. But link popularity alone is far from good SEO. Good SEO is about use all available tools at your disposal to ensure steady high quality traffic, whether it's link building, PPC campaign, on-page optimization or keyword strategy.

SEO people make very good money now but most of them is under the fear of uncertainty of search engine algo change.

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Old August 17th, 2004, 01:08 AM
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One thing that wonders me, is question why so many are afraid of algo change. Have they been foolish enough to tie the check to achieving certain position? Never give out a (false) promise like that, because it shoots back sooner or later....

Putting effort to long-term factors like content, quality link building (no swaps, no reprocicals, no bought links etc) etc. hasn't so far failed for me, and I've been doing this stuff almost an decade. That's where the focus of quality SEO IMO is/should be. Anything else is "I'm feeling lucky" actions.

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If you build your sites or online businesses for the users, not just for search engines, you won't have to worry about algo change. a search engine behaviors just like the aggregation of average web users.

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Did you guys not read the post

save all the politcally correct seo jargon crap,

this guy is trying to optimize for gambling terms

he needs thousands of links by any means neccasary

I might be interested in building links for you but

I couldn't commit to 40 hours a week,

I have too many other clients and my own projects

although I might be able to meet you goals by parceling it out

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Have they been foolish enough to tie the check to achieving certain position? Never give out a (false) promise like that, because it shoots back sooner or later....




Its funny say that, I have client who pays an extra when his site is top 1 or 2 and it just fell a bit to 4

oh well, I'll get it back

"Never give out a (false) promise"

how is it a false promise?

his site didn't get the rankings he wanted , so he didn't have to pay

whats false about that?

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he needs thousands of links by any means neccasary


And there are many other ways to achieve this. Link swapping might sound the easiest way, but consider if you used 60K on creating something usefull. Making a quality site (and I mean Quality, no auto-generated crap) that gets a PR4-PR5 in 1-2 months is childs play for professional SEO. And with 60K you can make many, many sites like that....


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whats false about that?


Mainly I was referring to SEO companies which guarantee top1-3-10 positions or offer full return/ partial refund... Most non-SEO people trust the this kind of marketing talk and take the bait. After all, it sounds really good...or wouldn't you buy a lottery ticket if you knew you will win or get money back?

What happens afterwards is usually a sad story. Either there's a hook in the contract, the top3 position is achieved for something not competitive (so the client ends up paying for nothing) or it is one month only result which was pulled of with paid backlinks etc. The ways to fool a client are limitless. No wonder SEO is in general considered scum.

The contracts I make are plain and simple. 75 EUR / workhour - dispite the position achieved. This way everyone get's an equally good service where the goal is to rank as high as possible with the assets (budget, content etc) and time provided.

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