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    Question Outbound links list - advice help


    When gathering backlinks, I don't want to have too many outbound links on a page, so I've setup a small directory-type system on my site (www.nationwidejustice.com/linkpartners.htm is one example). But some of the categories on a couple of my sites, I've got 3 pages of links. The only way to get to pages 2-3 is to go to page one of that category (example: www.medicalhealthinfo.org/links-health.htm).

    So, I thought I'd create a directory system with sub-categories, using actual directories as guides as to subcategory topics. Well, now that's resulted in 400 sub-categories.

    My goal isn't to develop an actual, searchable directory, but to provide outbound links on pages that search engines will like, crawl, record, etc.

    I don't want to have page1, page 2... page 40, etc. for any category where page 40 is only findable via direct URL or by going to page one and scrolling through (example: www.nationwidejustice.com/links-general.htm - follow the arrows and you'll get to page 40).

    Any ideas on how to do this that are not overkill on categories/sub-categories (a lot of work that way) but not SE hated?

    I didn't put this in the site review category because I mention more than one site and it's less about a particular site than a process of how to do something.
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    I wrote this in another thread, but I think it might be applicable to you. Only advice I would add, is don't call your link pages "links", use directory, or resources or recommended sites or something.
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    First and foremost:

    IGNORE THE PR OF THE LINKING PAGE

    that's right. Ignore it. PR Does not matter except if you are solely concerned with building up the PR of your page, and then PR itself does not matter except in determining the frequency at which Google will crawl that page. Also bear in mind that a PR0 page of today might very easily become a PR 4 or 5 page by the next update.

    More importantly, it does not matter whom you link from, but whom you link to. Of course pages which are in a "bad neighborhood" are the exception, while it matters not if they link to you, it does matter a whole lot if you link to them.

    Secondly


    On the issue of having content related outgoing and incoming links, Make sure that your link page has content that is relevant to whom you are linking to, and vice versa. For you this is important so that your outgoing pages don't look like link farms, and that your incoming links get maximum benefit.

    This simply means, do not put links to an animal shelter site next to links to a viagra site next to links to a hub cap dealer site, of course anchor text should also reflect this reality.

    Always optimize your links page like you would any other page, and then put relevant content. So for example, all casino links (and there is no harm in linking to them as long as they are not in a bad neihgborhood or doing easily obvious black hat stuff that you know will get them penalized) should be on a page whose title is "Gambling" and where the other onpage factors clearly show that it is a gambling site page, even if there are 10 pages to such sites. Using "link page 1", "links" or other such lingo cannot help, and might hurt in some instances if it is blatantly obvious that all you are doing is exchanging links.

    Once this is done, proceed to put all your gambling links on this page, try not to have more than 50 links on a page, some suggest 20 or less some suggest a bit more, I generally stay at about 30, but do go up to 50 if the spirit moves me

    Once you have your first page done, proceed to the second and so on and so forth, in good faith, put links to all the pages in that particular category on the landing page for that category.

    Lastly

    If your incoming links are from a site and page that is not content related, don't worry about it, all it simply means is that it might not count as much as a link from a content related site and page. For example if SEs give 10 points for a link from a Ford site and Ford page to another Ford site and Ford page, they might give 8 points for a link from a Buick Site and a Ford Page to a Ford Site and Ford Page, while giving 5 points from a Toyota site and a Hyundai page to a Ford Site and Ford Page, going all the way down to 1 point from a Urban Clothing site and a general link page to a Ford Page and Ford site. Point is, don't worry about the incoming, as long as it is not from a bad neighborhood, it will ultimately count for something.
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    Originally Posted by 1976AD
    ...pages which are in a "bad neighborhood"...
    That leaves me with a few other questions...

    1. What is a 'bad neighborhood' and how can I tell if it is one?
    2. Is the 400+ sub-categories I'm creating going way overboard (is any benefit gained from time spent creating these worth it)? Remember, I'm not interested in creating another DMOZ or even a full-blown directory for that matter.
    3. What are the rest of the people here doing to organize their outgoing links that they've gathered to 'swap'?
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    http://www.mob.net/~ted/tools/rbl.php3

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    Hmmmm. ;)

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    They drop some
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    Red face


    Originally Posted by Wit
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    http://www.mob.net/~ted/tools/rbl.php3

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    Hmmmm. ;)

    3.
    They drop some
    I don't understand your answers to #2 and #3. Are you unsure about #2? What do you mean they drop some? Drop what?
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    Yup, I'm unsure about 2. At least go for the full-blown dir in that case: then it might even work for you in some way.

    About 3. People are known to drop a (formerly) recip link or two. Just don't ever pull that trick on your best link partners Best is to only drop the links you don't think very highly of. Ideally (and utterly whitehat) you should notify the newly dropped ex-link-partner that you dropped the recip link. But - as I said earlier - hmmmmmm.

    Mind you I don't want to promote dropping recip links to your well-respected link partners. I'm just saying it happens (a lot).
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    Wit,

    I checked out the domain, but I'm not sure what to put in there... do I type the URL of the site?

    Regarding dropping links, the only links I drop are those that request to be dropped, those in the 'general' (catch-all) category that our system shows are not linked to us after 3-4 weeks after we requested the link.

    Thanks for the help.

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