Hands up!

Ok hands up who in this forum would consider recieving a personally written email requesting a link exchange ( relevant ) as spam??

I recently sent out a handfull of such email and one guy compained to my hosting Co. and they blasted me!!

uuuuurrrrrrghhhhhh!


Jon.

Yeah, the whole anti-spam thing has gotten waaayy out of control.

All those "do-gooders" out there who feel as thought it's their "obligation to report spam" really make me sick. If someone sends you 50 emails a day or more then go ahead and report it as spam, but 2 or 3, c'mon, it's about 1000 times quicker to just delete it than go through ip lookups etc.. and then write a letter to an isp etc...

When it comes time to send the Google Dance alert, or an email from this forum, there's always some jerk who forgot they subscribed, and instead of following the unsubscribe instructions they decide to report the email to the isp and put the report in SpamCop, which spoils the email for everyone else when it gets filtered by those services.

What happened to freedom of speech and expression??

I'm now afraid to send anyone an email....unless of course they wrote to me first.....oh dear...my worlds getting smaller!!! lol

Jon.

I am receiving many spam emails every day and I do not complain. Recently I have sent few emails to promote a directory I have to tell people they can sign up for free in my directory.

I was surprised to see that some of them complained to my ISP and they threatened to delete my account if I would send any more emails.

This is very strange to me, I was doing then a "favor" (a free link) and they are offended.

What gets me is that only one guy complained and my ISP would be prepared to terminate mysite if just one other did the same! They don't take into account the people who are glad that I mailed them nor did they attempt to contact me and give me the chance to defend myself. I think that if they receive a number of compliants then perhaps they should act but to mess someones lively hood up for what would amount to 2 complains is ludicrous........
Changing ISP very soon.......

Jon.

You have none when it conflicts with another's rights and the only protection afforded by that right in the Bill of Rights (US only folks) is that guvment may not take that right away without ammending the constitution. That right was established for the purpose of allowing one to speak out about guvment in any manner they wish.

In short you are infringing on another's rights.

I get at least 30 spam emails per day and have had times where I will get pissed off enough to do lookups and try and makes ba****ds understand that spamming is a losers game.

I had the same thing btw with my newsletter. Some pillock forgot he subscribed and sent me an emailed copied in were his lawyer threatening this that and other if I didnt supply the ip number of the guy who subscribed etc. I did supply him it and suspect it was his own as it all went quiet after that.

Anyway, I do have a phase where it gets to me and I do my very best to get the swines back. Silly really as as you say time is better spent doing something else.

Which right? The right to not receive email, or is it a right that states you don't have to receive email that is unwanted? If the later is the case, how can one determine if an email is wanted or not without reading it first.

The only true difference between unwanted crap you receive in your mail box, and the spam in your inbox is that no tax is paid to the government on the spam emails .. so therefore it's unwanted. Send something commercial though to mail (even if it's something that you not subscribed to) and the mailman is OBLIGATED to deliver, otherwise he loses his job.

So in short, the day we start paying tax on emails (and I hear plans are there to do so), the day spam becomes acceptable (by ISP etc..).

The mailman (person) is obligated to deliver it but you don't have to read it to toss it as being not wanted, and you can have the PO return it on the sending parties nickle.

In fact I just love postage paid return reply envelopes, loads of fun filling them with other junk mail and sending them back to the junk mailers

Cheers,
theBear

Webby,

I route a ton of crap to the bit bucket and rarely look at it before doing the bucket emptying thing.

One would waste too much time doing the required work to track it all down.

As for the folks that ask for emails and then complain, just do what you did and it shuts them up. One can also require a confirmation of subscribing and sending that back will shut them up, especialy with a lawyer letter of your own.

Cheers,
theBear

If someone has link exchanges on their web site, then asking someone to trade links isn't Spam, according to... me

theBear.. interesting note that you bring up. Why do you think people hide their email address and cover their tracks when covering spam? For 1 reason, they don't want to be caught. If there wasn't so many do-gooders out there trying to report all the spam in their useless attempt to "raise the moral standard" then nobody would need to hide their email address, and I'm sure the return email would be most welcome.

In reference to the returnig the mail, that only works if the sender decides to put the correct address on it. What's stopping me from putting someone elses address on there?

Sending junk mail through the post requires curring down tree's, wasting ink, man-hours, transportation costs etc... sending e-mail takes nothing more than time, with some slight bandwidth charges perhaps, but it's about 1 millionth the cost of sending a mail through the post.

In my opinion, who are "SpamCop" to dictate who's a spammer and who's not?

What's stopping me from going to SpamCop everyday and reporting some foney email from someone elses IP and getting them banned from sending email etc...?

It kind of goes this way Darrin, you may have a case of restraint of trade by SpamCop and in a few years win a legal battle against SpamCop. However the folks that recieved the spam (an excellent Hormel product, aka mystery meat) still can do all in their power to put the neck lock from hell and the 2x4 over the head on the spammers.

It is just like those annoying phone calls, at my house they get the loud noise treatment on the first call. I even had one fool hit redial, he probably changed jobs shortly afterwards.

Cheers,
theBear

One of the ISPs I used to work for, I was the abuse@ ninja. When I received false spam "complaints", I turned around and reported the email they sent me as unsolicited email to their ISP.

He he, that's another solution.

I sent a report to a large well known ISP about virii being sent over their system and requested the ID of the account holder, never heard from the ISP but shortly afterwards they started scaning and deleting virus attachments. I wonder why?

Not that the virii would cause me a problem, but I just hate it when I get garbage in my inbox.

Cheers,
theBear