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Old June 22nd, 2004, 02:33 PM
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I've been approached by a company interested in paid advertising on my directory, (see sig). I'd planned on offering advertising in the future anyway, once I got the site good serps and PR, but I'm not sure what's the best way to go about it as I've never done anything like this before. Should I offer a basic fee per month or pay per click or what? I could use a few pointers.

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Unless you have lots of directory traffic, you won't get much for pay per click (no traffic, no clicks). I would do the per month option instead.
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Yep, do it monthly - it will save you from counting clicks and documenting them - save yourself the work.

Offer them a yearly fee at discount.. then you only worry about it once per year.
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Sounds good, that's what i'll do. Thanks.

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Offer them a yearly fee at discount.. then you only worry about it once per year.


Most advertisers wont go for that. Get yourself a nice free tracking script at hotscripts.com and sell CPM (cost per thousand)

If the banner is ROS (Run of Site aka on every page) than depending on your traffic $5 to $15 is acceptable (not if they are adult though)

So lets say you give them 35,000 pageviews (not hits) in one month than it would break down like this:

35,000 pageviews divided by 1000 (CPM) multilpied by $5 (example) = $175 per month

Now an average click through rate(CTR) for a banner ranges from .3% to .6% with .45% being average. You have to make sure you give an advertiser a decent CTR because it will

1. Make them keep advertising
2. They wont feel ripped off
3. Word of mouth is great advertising for you

So .45% of 35,000 pageviews is 158 clicks on the banner. $175.00 divided by 158 clicks comes out to $1.10 per click. In banner advertising that isn't bad at all if it's targeted. If not than thats a bit much. An average cost of $.40 to $.75 for untargeted works.

But it all depends on the amount of pageviews you'll be serving, the website you'll be advertising and the amount a client feels comfortable with spending. Yearly nahhhh unless they have no idea what they are doing ;)

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um...I have to admit to being more than a little confused here.

CPM, CTR, ROS...think I need a break before I even start.

I'll take another look at it in the morning.
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CPM is Cost per Thousand impressions which basically means their ad loads 1000 times. If the ad runs on every page of the site (ROS = Run Of Site) than 1000 pageviews equals one CPM.

CTR is Click Thru Rate. Meaning if 1 out of 100 people click on ad than that would be a 1% CTR (which is great!)

A client pays you $5 to run their ad 1000 times and they should get about 10 clicks paying .50 per click. Thats only with a 1% CTR - .45% is average which comes out to 4.5 clicks at $1.10 a click.

Just make sure you dont over charge

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Smile I agree with a monthly fee

I don't agree on the most advertisers thing. Most advertisers that would want a CPM or PPC ad would go to an advertising agency in my humble opinion. I think most smaller sites sell ads by the month. I would not set up a CPM or PPC unless they specifically asked for it. I would make my offer for the month and see what they say first.
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I would sell a banner or link by the month too.

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What about offering both, keep everyone happy. Either buy advertising by the month, with discount for 6 months or a year, or the pay per click option.

At the moment though there really isn't enough traffic coming through. I'll have to do a bit more work on that before I go into the advertising in a big way, but maybe in the mean time offer ads by the month.

PK, I was half asleep when I read your post last night so didn't really take it in, but I think I got it now. Thanks. Saying that, I'll probably be back in a few weeks asking what's CPM

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PK, I was half asleep when I read your post last night so didn't really take it in, but I think I got it now. Thanks. Saying that, I'll probably be back in a few weeks asking what's CPM


I'd work on your traffic because CPM isn't profitable until you can serve up acouple million ads a month. I'd suggest doing a monthly or quarterly pay scale for now.

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