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This discussion will be a "how-to" guide for conducting on-page and off-page optimization while targetting the advances made by search engines in the realm of semantic analysis and on-topic analysis. There are several threads at other boards (SEW & WMW) and some terrific info on these subject at miislita.com, but little of it has reached SEOChat.
Evolution of AI & Search Engines Basically, search engines are getting smarter - using more and more advanced techniques to analyze pages, sites & links in order to return more relevant results. One of these techniques is that of topic analysis (in many, many forms) that tell a search engine whether a page is focused on a specific topic (term/phrase) based on the other words and phrases on the page (and their format, usage, placement, etc.) and in links & linking pages(not just anchor text). The basic method of retrieval of these "related terms" is the first item I'll focus on, followed by some basic instructions on how to use these terms to improve optmization on and off-page. Retrieval and Discovery of Related Terms
Many SEO specialists recommend natural language writing and I could not agree more. Write your text without thinking of SEO at all, the SEO pieces can be added in later. Just remember to base your the topic of your page on the term/phrase you're optimizing for. Once again, I'll use the step-by-step guide:
Once you have the list of related terms and the formulas for term weight, you can see where off-page optimization can be done. Simply check the term weight of your target phrase and related phrases at the sites and pages you want to get links from. The more on-topic the pages/sites are to your phrase, the more relevant the link will be. You don't even need the page or site to mention your particular term once, as long as the term weights of your related phrases are high. I hope this has been of use to everyone. Please give me your honest feedback and I'll try to edit any errors/omissions. Last edited by randfish : February 10th, 2005 at 08:24 PM. |
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Great Stuff! I look forward to that tool and trying this out...lol God knows I hate guessing and tons of work manually ;)
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Gang, I think people might be feeling like this is over their heads, but this is some very, very critical stuff for SEO. The short post above is about BOTH on-page and off-page tactics that are designed to help you a little bit now (probably mostly with Google and a little MSN), but will seriously impact your success in the future as SEs move to get more and more serious about relevency.
So, please, read carefully through the post above and let me know what doesn't make sense. It looks much more intimidating than it is, I promise. Also, there are surely some experts here who could critique this technique - please do so. We can all benefit from it. Thanks! |
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Rand:
Couple of quick comments: While killing time I went to SEW forum and saw the thread on Latent semantics...and went through a bit of it. With regard to the most recent changes, both McDar (McDar's new forum) and I noticed on some regional/ local sites significant changes that she described more as a focus on on-page optimization in google. The regional sites allow for an easy view of changes. While those are easy examples they might well reflect incorporation of LSI into google's algo's. I'm going to look at this closely as some of those changes will definitely hit my pocket. As for the formulas...they are a bit tough to follow for most (at least me)...and I used to be a heavy math dude. But I'm very interested in the topic and the SEW thread as I see significant changes from an easy to decipher set of keywords. I'm also going to run the top ten on your keyword analysis tool as I sense that totals for the local keywords top ten will be significantly lower than previously which weren't competitive phrases in any case. ...but reflect a significantly different algo approach. This could suggest the game has changed. Dave |
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Interesting concept. It's appealing because rather than blind theory, I think it delves into the exact line of thinking that the brainiacs of Googleville use in these obscure algorithms that stir the SEO masses so well, update after painful update.
I follow the formulas, although I have to digest it slowly. I look forward to the upcoming tool you mentioned....as I'm not a math guy. Thanks for the article. |
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Earl - Let's be very careful about mentioning LSI/A. This update certainly suggests that GG is using more calculations or focus regarding semantic-connectivity, but not neccessarily LSA. In fact, I think the IR gurus have made it clear that there is almost no chance Latent Semantic Analysis is being used by Google (at least in the form it's described by the existing IR community).
What IS absolutely being used and will continue to gain prominence is topic analysis and discovery - the method by which search engines figure out if your site/page really is on the subject of what you claim it's on. This is why I think the equations above are so critical - if you don't start understanding and using this stuff (and the advances that are sure to come), you'll be like on-page optimizers were after Google developed PageRank - seriously. See you all tomorrow - I'm off to watch the Sonics game with a friend. |
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I like math and this logic sounds reasonable to me, but I don't claim to know a lot about such things.
However, here is what I think about going to this effort... maybe my ideas are naive but here goes.... If you are having success, especially at low competition terms then your work either fits this model or some other criteria used by the SEs that equates to strong rankings. In that situation I would continue as is and not invest in the extra effort. However if you are in a high calibre battle with other competetive sites and are struggling to hold your place or make progress then this concept might certainly be worth a good look and some experimentation - provided that you have fairly good SEO already in place. Since such SERPs are a battle of resources then the expenditure of energy to try this concept can be rather small if it can get you higher rankings with a fewer resources - especailly if you consider the expenses over a long span of time. I have one very stubborn situation where I have exerted myself but can't seem to make headway. I have a couple more things to try but might add this to the list of future attempts. Thanks for the fresh ideas. You are a forward looking SEO who is not affraid to attack the tough stuff. Salutes!
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I am very interested in seeing you turn this into a tool. I have used your previous tools for great sucess. I love that your in Seattle too, we should grab some coffee sometime and bull***t about SEO. Keep it coming.
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I understand the words and the concepts, but the math .... well, my eyes just glaze over when I see those equations. A tool would be quite handy so my eyes could focus on the words.
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Everytime I look into LSI, I'm more convinced that pure content is the search engine dream (thouh I don't think it is entirely possible to use this as a sole basis). I believe I read something by Webfusion (at least I think it was) on WMW about his use of free-lance copyrighting site to generate new articles on a constant basis, for his large set of keywords. This is the kind of site that "should" do well in LSI, since its content richness for the appropriate keywords will allow it to be aligned with other sites...another way to become an authority.
Hmm, so we might eventually have two different kinds of authority sites: 1. Anchortext authority sites; linking in and out of the hub to relevant sites. 2. Content authority sites; LSI correlations to other relevant sites. IMHO, if a site can become both a content and a linking authority, they will become THE authority for their set of keywords...hard to imagine getting outranked by future SEs when gunning for this strategy. Cygnus
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good talk...
Let's simplify the talk so that non-tech/math folks get in too...
Bottom line of LSA (and all other data analysis) is that instead of focusing keywords, it's the other words on the page that are important. If the keyword is "speadsheet" is the page about excel, microsoft office, calculator or something else?". The words in surrounding page (and possibly linked content) decide. And if the ratio is good + and you are banging the main related words, you rank well. Sounds familiar from theming ? The big question is how does google weight content value (ie. blend the results as single entity). Like randfish said, LSA is just one way for this purpose. Another very strong alternative IMO is some (lighter) adaption, like markov chaining (a technique behind most data analysis)... As for public "semantics tools for SEOs", I wouldn't hold my breath... They are very hard to develop and resource savvy (I know it because we have an inhouse tool for the semantics part - started developing it after florida/theming idea). Despite the algo used, randfishes advice is very close to earth for nailing several potential algos behind the scenes.
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I started looking at this last night while exhausted and not much of it penetrated my tired head. I read through a bit of the SEW thread. Got to go into it in more depth. What I noticed after this update, and was confirmed by McDar, both for regional sites with regional names was very easy to see.
Top level sites switched. McDar attributed it to a return of keyword prominence with weight on on-page optimization. I saw that for my three word school site i.e. for phrases like Georgia Yadayada school or Georgia yadayada jobs. For the last year my site on this relatively non-competitive term has sat at the top with the competitive sites being buried. Now all 3 sites sit on top. Frankly the new rankings are more realistic and to the point. McDar similarly saw the change for a business in upstate New York. It is easy to see the change with these regional terms. There might only be 1-4 local types of businesses with the phrase "local blue widgets" versus thousands of sites that describe "blue widgets". In my case at least the 3 "local blue widgets" sites all floated to the top positions. They ultimately are the real money terms for my site so it is highly relevant. In the past the other sites were buried because of poor optimization for what was working for google optimization. I'm going to go through the thread in depth. I saw some mention of on page optimization and relevancy with anchor text but not much penetrated my tired brain. I'll also take a stab at this formula. In all honesty, the latest change has high relevancy, at least for my terms. It definitely found the most relevant sites and moved them to the top pulling out all sorts of manipulated sites with lots of backlinks and some mention of the keyword phrase without true local relevancy. This is a serious pocket book issue for us so we will HAVE to get a handle on this. Dave |
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EP - but have your rankings changed for the non-regional terms as well, e.g. [yadayada school] without the Georgia bit?
I'd say my own site is definitely "regional", but it started to rank well for the topical search phrase. Of course I optimised for that term lately (albeit very modestly), but could it be that G is starting to appreciate regional over general/topical sites anyway...?
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