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    you wont believe this


    My name is Anthony and I found your web email address on a post in the google forum.
    I don't know if you can help me but I am having a tremendous problem.
    Currently I am the webmaster for www.seasidegolf.com.
    We have been number one or two in google for the keyword phrase"golf Packages" for almost 3 years now.
    Today something crazy happened and I have been sharing it with every search engine forum and individual I can find. Maybe someone can help.
    Someone, www.golftourdesk.com, has copied my entire site, and I mean everything, and put it on their server. That's fine with me, but in google, if you click on the link for www.seasidegolf.com, you are redirected, via a redirect page, to this copied site.
    I need to know how this is possible? and what I should be doing about it?
    completely boggles my mind.
    I also checked my whois info just to make sure he didnt steal my domain, not like thats possible, but after today, anything is possibe.
    Any advice would be a great help.
    Thanks for you time.
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    Man, that's a tough one. I'm only guessing, but possibly they sent a letter to Google asking them to change the info for your site and acted as if they were you. If I were you, I'd send a letter to Google explaining what happened and ask them to correct it. Also, if you can find google guy at webmaster world, I'd bring it to his attention.
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    could someone have stolen your primary or secondary dns ip address? that could cause a redirect... get in touch with the guys at the site your traffic is redirected to and find out if it was a mistake...
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    yes - there is something wrong with the DNS - not with google. Someone has changed the ip-adresses in the dns.

    Ask your provider - he should have the solution.

    Innuendo
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    its google, not the dns..they've corrected some of the search results but get this:

    go to google and type in www.seasidegolf.com.
    The one result is for seasidegolf.com, obvoiusly.
    Now take a look at the cache and read the header.
    www.golftourdesk.com is there. Google's cache was tricked!!!
    Now click the link to seasidegolf.com.....
    Your taken to www.golftourdesk.com and redirected to www.travelgolf.com.
    They've used httrack software (read the headers of their source code) to copy everything.

    I've joined the webmaster world forum but i cant post for some reason. I dont know why.
    If anyoine can notify google guy about this that would be great.

    Also, this was featured in Jill Whalen's newsletter today. Read if u like:

    From: Anthony DeGaeta

    Hi Jill,

    First of all I am an avid fan of your newsletter. Please respond to
    this crazy scenario if you can. I do understand you are busy.

    I am the Webmaster for seasidegolf.com. We have been number one or
    two in Google for our keyword phrase for almost 3 years now.

    I checked Google today and to my surprise someone copied my entire web
    site and the link from Google to my site is now pointing to this
    person's stolen version of my site. I followed the links and found my
    entire site recreated, each image copied from my server and put onto
    theirs.

    I tried to contact Google through webmaster@google.com but I have not
    received a reply. If you know what I should do, please let me know.
    All of the traffic from Google to what should be my site is now being
    redirected. How is this possible? If anyone can do this then why
    haven't I heard of it before?

    You can go to Google and type my domain into the search box. You'll
    see it goes to another site when you click the link.

    The crazy part is that I checked Google's cache of this copied site
    and my site appears there as the cache. I understand how to copy
    sites, but how in the world can you get Google to link to your copied
    site instead of the original. If it is that easy, I say we copy all of
    the top sites on the net, sit back and watch the traffic come in. : )
    Just kidding, I would never put another Webmaster through this.

    Please help and thanks.

    Anthony

    ~~~Jill's Response~~~

    Wow, this is really a strange one. When I first read Anthony's
    message, I thought it was just a case of copyright infringement, with
    another site copying and pasting Anthony's text and graphics onto
    their own domain. My friend Debra and I were finding lots of that
    this week with our own sites, in fact. So I was gonna write about how
    Debra contacted Google, and they sent her a very nice response on how
    seriously they take copyright infringement.

    But when I read Anthony's email again and actually looked for his site
    in Google, I realized we were talking about a whole 'nother ballgame.
    Anthony was quite right that a search for his site actually brings up
    a different site's domain. In fact, it's his biggest competitor's
    site. And yet, if you type Anthony's domain directly into your
    browser, you can get to his actual site just fine. No redirects to
    the competitor site.

    It seemed to me that this situation was some sort of newfangled
    cloaking thingee, so I decided to ask the master of cloaking himself,
    Mr. Ralph Tegtmeier, aka Fantomaster.

    Here's what he wrote back:

    ----------------------
    Two possible scenarios (for want of more information I'll have to
    speculate a bit here):

    1. Your subscriber can access his domain as usual by entering the URL
    in his browser's address field.

    In this case, it's most probably a Google issue. We've seen this
    before when Google pointed to an old, expired domain that wasn't
    active anymore, redirecting visitors to another, entirely unrelated
    one.

    This false linking can only be remedied by Google.

    2. Your subscriber is being redirected to that third party's setup
    even when entering his own URL in the browser address field.

    2.1 This could indicate a nameserver issue, possibly on TLD level.
    The reasons could be manifold, with domain hijacking being the most
    likely, seeing that his content seems to have been stolen, as he
    reports.

    This could only be remedied by the nameserver service employed.

    2.2 Alternatively, the hijacker might have manipulated the domain's
    nameserver IPs with the legitimate owner's domain name provider. He
    might even have transferred ownership of the domain to himself. (E.g.
    if the culprit got hold of his access codes.)

    This could only be remedied by the domain name provider employed.

    (There've been legal precedents indicating that this would also make
    for a pretty good case in court, but of course only an expert lawyer
    could tell your client what to do and what his chances in a lawsuit
    would be.)

    All of the above are, of course, under the assumption that his domain
    hasn't expired and been taken up by someone else in a regular manner.

    As for copyright infringement issues, the usual rules apply: if he can
    prove that his copyright has indeed been violated, and if he can
    pinpoint the perpetrator, legal counsel is advised -- generally, I'd
    assume that his chances in court should be pretty high. - Ralph aka
    Fantomaster
    ----------------------

    Hmm...it appears that Ralph's #1 scenario is the likely culprit, as
    the site can be reached through the browser. (I left Ralph's #2 info
    in there because it's good stuff and it may come in handy for anyone
    who runs across a similar situation with their site.)

    So if it's Ralph's answer #1 that means it's some sort of Google
    mistake. But is that really possible? Can Google mistakenly redirect
    your site to your competitor's site?

    If it's not a mistake and somehow someone could manage to trick Google
    into thinking the two sites were one and the same, how the heck did
    they do it?

    Anyone have any ideas? Google, if you're reading, you might want to
    take a look at this one!

    In the meantime, I suggest that Anthony email Google at
    spamreport@google.com and let them know about the situation (just in
    case they forget to read my newsletter this week <grin>). As I said
    at the beginning of this post, Google does take copyright infringement
    very seriously. So if it somehow turns out to be that, they will act
    upon it when provided with the proper documentation. And if it's a
    major screwup by them, I'm sure they'd want to fix that as soon as
    possible.

    HERE IS A RESPONSE I GOT AS WELL:
    > Hi Jill,
    >
    > RE: The golf site problem:
    >
    > What I think happened is the guys at TravelGolfMedia
    > http://www.travelgolfmedia.com/, who own the
    > www.golftourdesk.com domain,
    > have copied the entire www.seasidegolf.com site across to
    > www.golftourdesk.com, waited until the whole site got
    > cached from Google,
    > then deleted the content (at least for the front page).
    >
    > What remains is Google's cache, which sees a match for keywords like
    > seasidegolf.com. Why Google doesn't ALSO bring up the actual site in
    > question for that query is a mystery to me.
    >
    > So what Google has in their cache for the site
    > www.golftourdesk.com (which
    > is the one that is pointed to... which then redirects to
    > the competitors
    > site), is wrong.
    >
    > I've resubmitted www.golftourdesk.com to Google for
    > scanning and maybe that
    > will eliminate the false cache and therefore the problem
    > for our golf friend
    > at www.seasidegolf.com.
    >
    > The golftourdesk site (the offending one!) is owned by
    > TravelGolfMedia
    > http://www.travelgolfmedia.com/, who have a TON of sites
    > that differ only
    > BARELY from each other... Which is an offence right there,
    > because it's
    > really just one site with many front doors, which Google is
    > not meant to
    > like (i.e. same site, many URLs).
    >
    > While their homepage (http://www.golftourdesk.com) no longer has the
    > www.seasidegolf.com content on it, all the other pages of
    > his site are still
    > there, eg. http://www.golftourdesk.com/3night.htm (and all
    > the pages listed
    > off that).
    >
    > So if there's a law they're breaking, ten they're still
    > breaking it, because
    > they still carry all his content.
    >
    > In Australia we have a Telecommunications Ombudsman who
    > prosecutes this sort
    > of thing. Don't know what you have in the US, but I'd go after them.
    >
    > Hope that helps a tad.
    >
    > Alister Cameron
    > Cameron Creative
    > www.cameroncreative.com


    Just so you know, this guy was rated as Best of the Web by Forbes. Follow this link if you like:

    http://www.travelgolfmedia.com/press/09-29-02.htm

    Thanks for your time,
    Anthony DeGaeta
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    it looks as thought something has been done about it already...
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    Google has always been good to us and our resellers and sites... Usually, when you email them, especially about a prob like yours, they take it seriously and set action.

    Hope all worked out well.
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    it's been happing more and more frequently now with google.
    I'm mainly guessing this scenario might have applied to your case, as google has taken action to resolve the issue already:

    The trick seems to be based on PR hijacking.
    Google has built into the algo a PR check to make sure that only the relevant page gets listed when it encounters identical content.
    So when a malicious website owner decides to copy your entire site, or sections of it and place it under his/her higher PR domain google will take the higher PR site and show that one in the serps and disregard the lower PR one. as the site is a complete copy some if not all the existing information will be the same on the google listings, except that the visitors will be sent to the newly indexed domain.

    just my recent observations on related issues.
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    Domain Hijacking....


    My site: www.silverstreetdata.com got hijacked also by a guy as the site: www.dataentrygroup.c0m .

    To be sure he doesnt get any PR value out of this, I changed the .com to .c0m.

    These leeches need to be stopped faster then Google typically responds.. Anyone have an idea how long it takes spamreport@google.com to react to something like this when contacted.

    Tony

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    PDX,

    Do you have any suggestion on how to find out if someone is copying your site? Is there anyway to check or did you just stumble across the dataentrygroup site?

    Does anyone else know of any tools that could check to see if this is occuring?
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    Originally Posted by PDX_Tony
    My site: www.silverstreetdata.com got hijacked also by a guy as the site: www.dataentrygroup.c0m .

    To be sure he doesnt get any PR value out of this, I changed the .com to .c0m.

    These leeches need to be stopped faster then Google typically responds.. Anyone have an idea how long it takes spamreport@google.com to react to something like this when contacted.

    Tony

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    when you say he hijacked your site ... you mean he copied the webpages?? .... or do you mean you did have a serp at google they he also got when he mirrowed your site??
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    i have complained about copyright infringements before, and they told me to file a written complaint under the "digital melinium copyright act" ./.. " in triplicate" at the designated address and they would let me know .... yea right ....

    the spam report wont get anything done ....

    i dont think they take claims serious ... just my opinion, but they seem to have more things to do than worry with that ....
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    Call me..... we have a pending lawsuit againt TravelGolfMedia for the same thing 520-404-8813







    Originally Posted by antdee
    its google, not the dns..they've corrected some of the search results but get this:

    go to google and type in www.seasidegolf.com.
    The one result is for seasidegolf.com, obvoiusly.
    Now take a look at the cache and read the header.
    www.golftourdesk.com is there. Google's cache was tricked!!!
    Now click the link to seasidegolf.com.....
    Your taken to www.golftourdesk.com and redirected to www.travelgolf.com.
    They've used httrack software (read the headers of their source code) to copy everything.

    I've joined the webmaster world forum but i cant post for some reason. I dont know why.
    If anyoine can notify google guy about this that would be great.

    Also, this was featured in Jill Whalen's newsletter today. Read if u like:

    From: Anthony DeGaeta

    Hi Jill,

    First of all I am an avid fan of your newsletter. Please respond to
    this crazy scenario if you can. I do understand you are busy.

    I am the Webmaster for seasidegolf.com. We have been number one or
    two in Google for our keyword phrase for almost 3 years now.

    I checked Google today and to my surprise someone copied my entire web
    site and the link from Google to my site is now pointing to this
    person's stolen version of my site. I followed the links and found my
    entire site recreated, each image copied from my server and put onto
    theirs.

    I tried to contact Google through webmaster@google.com but I have not
    received a reply. If you know what I should do, please let me know.
    All of the traffic from Google to what should be my site is now being
    redirected. How is this possible? If anyone can do this then why
    haven't I heard of it before?

    You can go to Google and type my domain into the search box. You'll
    see it goes to another site when you click the link.

    The crazy part is that I checked Google's cache of this copied site
    and my site appears there as the cache. I understand how to copy
    sites, but how in the world can you get Google to link to your copied
    site instead of the original. If it is that easy, I say we copy all of
    the top sites on the net, sit back and watch the traffic come in. : )
    Just kidding, I would never put another Webmaster through this.

    Please help and thanks.

    Anthony

    ~~~Jill's Response~~~

    Wow, this is really a strange one. When I first read Anthony's
    message, I thought it was just a case of copyright infringement, with
    another site copying and pasting Anthony's text and graphics onto
    their own domain. My friend Debra and I were finding lots of that
    this week with our own sites, in fact. So I was gonna write about how
    Debra contacted Google, and they sent her a very nice response on how
    seriously they take copyright infringement.

    But when I read Anthony's email again and actually looked for his site
    in Google, I realized we were talking about a whole 'nother ballgame.
    Anthony was quite right that a search for his site actually brings up
    a different site's domain. In fact, it's his biggest competitor's
    site. And yet, if you type Anthony's domain directly into your
    browser, you can get to his actual site just fine. No redirects to
    the competitor site.

    It seemed to me that this situation was some sort of newfangled
    cloaking thingee, so I decided to ask the master of cloaking himself,
    Mr. Ralph Tegtmeier, aka Fantomaster.

    Here's what he wrote back:

    ----------------------
    Two possible scenarios (for want of more information I'll have to
    speculate a bit here):

    1. Your subscriber can access his domain as usual by entering the URL
    in his browser's address field.

    In this case, it's most probably a Google issue. We've seen this
    before when Google pointed to an old, expired domain that wasn't
    active anymore, redirecting visitors to another, entirely unrelated
    one.

    This false linking can only be remedied by Google.

    2. Your subscriber is being redirected to that third party's setup
    even when entering his own URL in the browser address field.

    2.1 This could indicate a nameserver issue, possibly on TLD level.
    The reasons could be manifold, with domain hijacking being the most
    likely, seeing that his content seems to have been stolen, as he
    reports.

    This could only be remedied by the nameserver service employed.

    2.2 Alternatively, the hijacker might have manipulated the domain's
    nameserver IPs with the legitimate owner's domain name provider. He
    might even have transferred ownership of the domain to himself. (E.g.
    if the culprit got hold of his access codes.)

    This could only be remedied by the domain name provider employed.

    (There've been legal precedents indicating that this would also make
    for a pretty good case in court, but of course only an expert lawyer
    could tell your client what to do and what his chances in a lawsuit
    would be.)

    All of the above are, of course, under the assumption that his domain
    hasn't expired and been taken up by someone else in a regular manner.

    As for copyright infringement issues, the usual rules apply: if he can
    prove that his copyright has indeed been violated, and if he can
    pinpoint the perpetrator, legal counsel is advised -- generally, I'd
    assume that his chances in court should be pretty high. - Ralph aka
    Fantomaster
    ----------------------

    Hmm...it appears that Ralph's #1 scenario is the likely culprit, as
    the site can be reached through the browser. (I left Ralph's #2 info
    in there because it's good stuff and it may come in handy for anyone
    who runs across a similar situation with their site.)

    So if it's Ralph's answer #1 that means it's some sort of Google
    mistake. But is that really possible? Can Google mistakenly redirect
    your site to your competitor's site?

    If it's not a mistake and somehow someone could manage to trick Google
    into thinking the two sites were one and the same, how the heck did
    they do it?

    Anyone have any ideas? Google, if you're reading, you might want to
    take a look at this one!

    In the meantime, I suggest that Anthony email Google at
    spamreport@google.com and let them know about the situation (just in
    case they forget to read my newsletter this week <grin>). As I said
    at the beginning of this post, Google does take copyright infringement
    very seriously. So if it somehow turns out to be that, they will act
    upon it when provided with the proper documentation. And if it's a
    major screwup by them, I'm sure they'd want to fix that as soon as
    possible.

    HERE IS A RESPONSE I GOT AS WELL:
    > Hi Jill,
    >
    > RE: The golf site problem:
    >
    > What I think happened is the guys at TravelGolfMedia
    > http://www.travelgolfmedia.com/, who own the
    > www.golftourdesk.com domain,
    > have copied the entire www.seasidegolf.com site across to
    > www.golftourdesk.com, waited until the whole site got
    > cached from Google,
    > then deleted the content (at least for the front page).
    >
    > What remains is Google's cache, which sees a match for keywords like
    > seasidegolf.com. Why Google doesn't ALSO bring up the actual site in
    > question for that query is a mystery to me.
    >
    > So what Google has in their cache for the site
    > www.golftourdesk.com (which
    > is the one that is pointed to... which then redirects to
    > the competitors
    > site), is wrong.
    >
    > I've resubmitted www.golftourdesk.com to Google for
    > scanning and maybe that
    > will eliminate the false cache and therefore the problem
    > for our golf friend
    > at www.seasidegolf.com.
    >
    > The golftourdesk site (the offending one!) is owned by
    > TravelGolfMedia
    > http://www.travelgolfmedia.com/, who have a TON of sites
    > that differ only
    > BARELY from each other... Which is an offence right there,
    > because it's
    > really just one site with many front doors, which Google is
    > not meant to
    > like (i.e. same site, many URLs).
    >
    > While their homepage (http://www.golftourdesk.com) no longer has the
    > www.seasidegolf.com content on it, all the other pages of
    > his site are still
    > there, eg. http://www.golftourdesk.com/3night.htm (and all
    > the pages listed
    > off that).
    >
    > So if there's a law they're breaking, ten they're still
    > breaking it, because
    > they still carry all his content.
    >
    > In Australia we have a Telecommunications Ombudsman who
    > prosecutes this sort
    > of thing. Don't know what you have in the US, but I'd go after them.
    >
    > Hope that helps a tad.
    >
    > Alister Cameron
    > Cameron Creative
    > www.cameroncreative.com


    Just so you know, this guy was rated as Best of the Web by Forbes. Follow this link if you like:

    http://www.travelgolfmedia.com/press/09-29-02.htm

    Thanks for your time,
    Anthony DeGaeta
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    I recently had a site copy my code. They copied my statcounter code as well. I was getting their traffic figures. Bizarre!!!
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