Web Position Gold 2

hi everyone,

my site is really struggling on google. anyone have any thoughts on the validity of this software? Not necessarily to use the submitter tool but more for the page optimizer. i was thinking of purchasing it. it seems to be quite good and the feedback/reviews are mostly positive. how valid are there recommendations because I noticed that they were all quite specific.

also, if anyone has any tips on optimizing my site it would be much appreciated! http://creating-a-site.com

thanks,

My company has been using webposition gold 2, i can give you a few tips..

For one, the schedualer is very handy on this software, although you have to be careful if you are running more than one site at a time. I seem to be able to run about 5 or 6 sites at a time but after that my computer memory gets taken up and i cant do any more till they are finished. Also if you are runnin gmore than one site at a time, it does make your computer slower....this isnt a problem necessarily, because you can always set up what you want to run and then leave your computer for a while.

The other thing we have noticed, and im waiting for webposition to get back to me on this one, but sometimes the ranks the program gives us dont always correspond with the real ranks on the search engine. For example, say our kw is muttonchops (its not, just an example)..... webposition says its ranked #8 on yahoo, but when we go into yahoo, and search for muttonchops we really came up as #2 for the KW....

Other than that this program seems to be the best so far. Although, if its not giving proper rankings, i guess its not doing well.....I'll wait till i get a response from webposition, and i'll post it in this thread when i find out the real dillio. We have gone through at least 3 different ranking programs till we found this one, and so far its the most reliable.

I was reading your post and recalled seeing something about this program on the Google guidelines page. Here it is:

http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

"Don't use unauthorized computer programs to submit pages, check rankings, etc. Such programs consume computing resources and violate our terms of service. Google does not recommend the use of products such as WebPosition Gold™ that send automatic or programmatic queries to Google. "

I don't think they like this program.

Right, this is very true, a good point...

I should point out that when we run these reports, we dont run them for google. We leave the google rankings for digital point, so as not to upset the gods...er....google.....adn we have been using digital point forever...so we are comfortable with it.

We mainly run webposition gold on altavista, askjeeves, alltheweb, lycos, msn, hotbot and yahoo, so that we get a complete indepth report on our ranks for these engines, and then i copy and paste the digital point google ranks into the report as well. It works very well.

If you will notice, someone has made a free rank software, its down the list of forum posts today. It looks like a very neat tool, although you do need to have very updated windows....and there are some things you need to download from the microsoft website.

I used the program about two years ago - and then dumped it after a month.

You really DON'T need programs such as WPG - just do the basic on-page SEO (H1/H2 tags, keyword density of about 1 - 2% for your main keywords, decent content etc) and then
go and get links, links, links...

That's all I do...I don't get hung up on SEO like I once did (life's too short for that)

You are right, Google hates Web position software... and it seems expensive. 350 bucks?? I would charge you $300 to help you out with your site, and at least you won't get banned

And... Google optimization is so much off page. These programs just help you with on page stuff I think. With the on-page stuff, I doubt that you can't find better tools free on line. DP, SEO Guy, McDar, Rusty.....

WPG's page optimizer is not really that great as the rules change all the time. It would help out with Yahoo though. But as soon as the algo changes your software becomes outdated and I dont think they update that part of the program very often.

The submitter is worthless. Period.

The ranking tool is good for all other engines but Google I recommend using Digital Point's. (http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/)

I think it's a waste of money. I have it on my PC somewhere but haven't touched it since DP came out with the rank monitor.

Just read this forum and you'll learn more than anything any piece of software can ever do.

I've found that the Page Critic option in the software is pretty useful for getting some of the basic things right.
This tells you what to correct in your page so that the different search engines will like it. It also tells you how you fair against the competition.
From my point of view it's not the only solution to getting higher rankings but will at least help you feel confident that your pages are written up and coded right.
I find though that I don't use any of the other functionality in the software.

Hope this helps.

Bluesuit

Everyone is making some good points. I do not use any of the optimizers or submitters, all we use the software for is checking ranks, because we have a lot of sites, and its a lot easier to use a query program than go and manually check all approx 100 keywords for each of our 16 sites....or something like that...

It is a lot of money, but its better for my sanity. I hate manually checking my companies ranks, it drives me insane and really hurts my carpal tunnel....LOL

As for not updating frequently enough, this is not true. WPG2 has been sending me atleast one data update per week.....everytime i seem to run my ranking reports i have to update the base....so there is no problems for updates.

But honestly, if you just have one site, you dont need to spend 350 on software for it. Just use digital point for you google ranks and do the rest maunally i guess...its not as hard when its just one site!

Those are usually for the submitter.

I use WPG2 a lot...and it works great for me. I don't follow its rules as the be all, end all...but its nice to have the page broken down mathematically...and it allows me to work faster b/c its like an extra set of eyes on the page. It catches my mistakes and makes quickly makes sure the page is a solid page. Follow its adivice on not so competitive keywords and a #1 is about guaranteed. (@ least from my experience) The more competitve keywords require mostly off page optimization....so its kind of a moot point. I like the software and I think its well worth the money. Only you can justify the expense to yourself...but for us...its cheap money.

I don't think any serious seo would say that some software can guarantee you a top position, no matter what the keyword is.

As I've always said, this stuff is for lazy or ignorant people. Seo is like a science to me, there are so many things you can only learn by asking hundreds of questions and reading everything you can... I don't see how some juky software can do that.

Does it get the links for you? I've not seen too many terms that you can get to #1 for without some decent links.

Some of these "optimizer" programs sniff the top positions in your SERPs and then give you recommendations based upon the "average" content and code of those pages. What if those guys are spamming? What if they are really optimized for something else and are just showing in your SERPs on the basis of raw power. What if they have off-page strategies in place that this software does not detect.

This approach probably works fine for the lazy and/or incompetent person. But, I'll bet on myself rather than a grab from a bunch of sites that just happen to be at topSERPs that is processed through a porthole.