Submitting site to get immediate feedback

Hello. I have read many articles on the topic of how to optimize a web page. I would like to now implement them.



In order to see whether my changes improve the page's ranking, I would like to submit my URL to one of the SEs that re-submit your site every 24/48 hours, for about $40/yr, so that every time I make a change, I can see the effects on the page ranking. (I have seen several SEO experts recommend this strategy.)



I have three questions in this context:



1. I see that Inktomi, Fast/AllTheWeb and AltaVista have all discontinued this service and have moved to Yahoo overture. Why? Is this a trend which other sites will eventually follow?



2. Ask Jeeves (Teoma) is the only one I am aware of which seems to still provide this service. Is it recommended? Any others? Should I submit to more than one, and compare results?



3. Let's say I have 2 pages I want to optimize, page1.html and page2.html. So can I choose a URL to submit such as www.mysite.com/test.html, copy page1.html to that URL, work on that, then, when I am satisfied with it, copy page2.html to that URL and work on it?



Thank you.

do not pay to submit your site to any search engines.
simply get it linked to by a well-indexed page.


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Totally agree... It is a waste of money. Nobody can give you better than what you can do for yourself. Design a basically good and moderately SEO'd site, get relevant backlinks and you will succede. True, until some dramatic thing happens within the algo's of the various SE's. It takes work, but the reward is worth it.

You write: "Totally agree... It is a waste of money. Nobody can give you better than what you can do for yourself. Design a basically good and moderately SEO'd site, get relevant backlinks and you will succede."

I apologize if this sounds rude, but it sounds to me like you're missing the reason why I'm looking for a paid link to a site like Jeeves. I am not searching for a paid link as an alternative to the ideas that you suggest.

I do want to do EXACTLY what you say I should be doing. But since I'm new at this, and I have read so many articles on how to SEO your site, I want immediate feedback on whether my SEO efforts are bearing fruit. (I also wish later to get good backlinks, just as you say.)

In other words, the purpose of the paid link is NOT to improve my site's ranking at all! The purpose is to let me know whether I'm going about things right. $40 is a laughably small sum for this, in light of what my clients are prepared to pay for me to SEO their sites. Unless you can tell me how, within one hour, I can find and submit to the relevant backlinks that will guarantee that my site is re-posted every 24/48 hours.

I would like therefore to kindly ask future respondents not try to convince me that I'm wrong. As I said, three of the top SEO experts on the field heartily recommend this approach. I wish to get answers to the three questions I have posted, and discussions about whether my entire premise is correct will likely remove focus from this, with the result of some interesting back and forth, but my original questions unanswered.

hmm....yisreal...
you ask for advice...and then you dont listen.
i suggest you go back to your 'seo experts' and listen to whatever they say.
[and stop wasting our time and patience.]


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You write:

"you ask for advice...and then you dont listen. [stop wasting our time and patience.]"

I am grateful for your responses to date and apologize for not expressing this clearly enough. (My specific questions are not answered by the experts. That is why I am posting them here.)

The advice I asked for is HOW to best post to a paid SE, not WHETHER to. So I thank you all for the input, but the advice I am receiving does not answer my questions.

I will appreciate any posts that answer my question. What I am asking is that people not submit more posts that tell me that my questions are irrelevant, since I feel fairly confident from the experts that they are. Those of you who do feel that my questions are irrelevant and that paid SE submission is a waste have already made your point.

I hope that some of you will find this request not unreasonable.

Thank you.

yisreal...
if you posted 'how do i best shoot myself in the foot with a gun?'
i would reply 'dont shoot yourself in the foot with a gun'.
i would not reply 'point the gun at your foot...hold it steady...squeeze the trigger'.
that is human nature.
that is what you should expect at this forum.
we are freethinkers here.
we do not color within the lines.
my response still stands...
dont pay to have your site submitted to any search engine.
[once or daily or whatever]
[not for $40 or $1]
for that matter...do not submit your site to search engines at all.


more specifically...
there is no way to guarantee what you are attempting to accomplish—daily ranking updates of your site to review the impact of your seo work.
there are many factors that contribute to a web site being indexed on a 'daily' basis.
none of these include how often you 'submit' your site to any search engine.



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yisreal, do I dare say... once again... that I agree?

Dear relaxzoolander:

On the larger point, I absolutely agree with you: optimizing your text and getting good links to your site are the way to get good rankings.

Our disagreement seems to be over whether there is any point, for short term immediate feedback, in paid submissions to SEs. You state that paid submission is worthless.

I would like to quote from one of the articles that led me to believe that paid submission can be helpful in the specific context I am describing. The following excerpt is from an article written by Jill Whalen, a leading expert on SEO:

"Inktomi's and Teoma's paid-inclusion programs are fairly similar to each other. You basically pay for each URL you would like to be included, and they will remain there for one year. Inktomi results are shown at AskJeeves. If you'd like to get your pages into these search properties quickly, and/or if you want to tweak your optimization to see how it affects rankings, then paying for inclusion may certainly be worth your while because the included pages will be frequently indexed."

(From searchengineguide.com, Nov. 20, 2003. I don't post the exact URL, because forums sometimes erase them.

Now, you may disagree with Jill. As a free-thinker, that is perfectly reasonable. But I have read enough both by and about Jill, plus the other SEO confirm the above view, that for me, it is definitely worth $40 to explore the possibility that she is correct.

Please note -- this is in my original posting -- that what Jill says regarding Inktomi and Teoma specifically seems to no longer be true. However, AskJeeves seems to still function as Jill describes. Since we have gotten off track, I would like to re-focus on my original questions: why have Teoma and Inktomi changed? Has anyone used AskJeeves for the purpose I am describing, or found better alternatives?

now you are getting the message.




yes.
good links[high pr] to your site.
high pageranking site pages.
high serps ranking.

Hi yisraelharris,

Gigablast.com does this for free; you would have to resubmit your page after each change though.

yisraelharris

Jill certainly is a respected SEO and I have to say what she says is worth looking at. If you ask your questions correctly you will get the right response. I agree with relaxzoolander paying for position is a waste of money if you want traffic! HE SPEAK WITH EXPERIENCE! What Jill say can be possible but changes your original objective. Besides our way has the same result just costs nothing!

Dear Chatmaster:

Thank you for your response.

1. You state: "this changes your original objective". False. I clearly stated my objective in every single posting: my short-term objective right now is NOT to drive traffic to my site, but rather to guarantee that my site will be re-indexed frequently, which is exactly what Jill describes, while I experiment with improving the text of my page and seeing if it improves the ranking.

2. You state: "our way has the same result costs nothing". Okay. I am new at this. I know that my way, in about 5 minutes, I am submitted to AskJeeves and my goal is met immediately. Can you explain the steps I would need to do to implement your way? My understanding is that I would need to get high-ranking sites to link to my site. But how do I go about find these high-ranking sites? Wouldn't that take time?

3. For the record, I will state that the quote I included from Jill categorically contradicts zoolander's statement that: "there is no way to guarantee what you are attempting to accomplish—daily ranking updates of your site to review the impact of your seo work." Jill (and other SEO experts) unambiguously claim that this is EXACTLY what submitting to sites AskJeeves accomplishes. Again, Jill may be wrong. But I'm willing to pay $40 to find out. It is interesting that in his reactions to my postings, zoolander did not address this quote from Jill, a known SEO expert, which clearly contradicts what his claims.

4. Zoolander also stated: "there are many factors that contribute to a web site being indexed on a 'daily' basis. none of these include how often you 'submit' your site to any search engine." I am not sure how carefully he is reading my postings because nowhere in any of them do I suggest re-submitting my site to a search engine.