SEO Guy, SEO Inc... others.

Ok, I have been researching SEO in great depth. I am planning on hiring an SEO firm for my upcoming online project.

Some of the companies I am looking at include:

1. SEO Guy
2. SEO Inc
3. SEO Logic
4. Keyword Ranking

Does anyone have any specific information on these companies? I have read on the SEO Guy forums that SEO Guy is simply the best expert on SEO. But I figure his forums are a little um.. well they're "his" forums. So I was hoping to recieve more reviews online.

I have recently read of those "horror story" experiences with SEO Guy, but I don't know if they were true, or just a load of BS. Why does SEO Guy not have any testimonials or case studies on his website? Has he ever had success with any sites besides his own? Does he use only "ethical" tactics?

As for SEO Inc, well they have excellent rankings in a highly competative keyword group. So I would have to assume they're good at what they do. However, does anyone have any more info on them? I have yet to see bad reviews about this company.

SEO Logic - I like their approach, however, I was hoping someone again could tell me a little bit about their background, and uncover and horror stories if they exist. Thanks.

Keyword Ranking - I've been intouch with them. They charge over 70,000 USD for 1 year of service, including most of that upfront. They told me that even in the most highly competative industries such as web hosting they could achieve first page rankings for us. However, my question then, is why are THEY no where to be found for their own keywords? They have horrible rankings compared to what they're offering? Doesn't that mean trouble?

Thanks guys, any and all info would be fantastic.

Also, any info on "do it yourself" sites with good resources would be nice too. I'd like to learn more about SEO.

A client I used to work for had hired Keyword Rankings and was paying them around $50K per year. They hadn't done any real SEO work though - they told him what keywords to target and what to write in his meta tags and they told hiim which terms to bid on for PPC. They didn't manage PPC, didn't build links to his site, didn't even write descriptions for his products.

The client wasn't too saavy, so maybe they were just figuring they could pull a fast one on him and do REAL work for other clients who were picky, but to me it was poor ethics. The $$ was phenomenal too - I can't see charging beyond $500-$1000 per month for the services they provided and even that seems too high. I'd dodge them if I were you, unless they've changed their ways.

Thank you for that review.

It seems I'm hearing a lot of that now about them.

I will scratch them from the listed based on both reviews, and my personal opinion on them. Thank you.

Anyone else?

I have reviewed SEO Guy's work - or at least a few projects he's worked on, and I have been very impressed.

Great - this guy again.

Hopefully someone will remove this post too.
(this references a post that was subsequently removed, not cuse or anyone else posting here)

Might I ask who this guy is?

Are you talking about me?

Because that was sort of confusing. I've never posted on these forums before...

If you wish to validate that I'm a real person, I'd be happy to talk with you in person over the phone. I am highly offended by your last post.

Hello Cuse,

Randfish's comment was about the post by ipdaily. Someone has been posting the same message multiple times on these forums. If you check Randfish's posting history you will see that he is one of the most knowledgeable and helpful members here. He is very generous with his time - especially to new members.

EGOL

Well apparently someone took his advice then and deleted the post – unfortunately it was before I saw it, and before I realize what he was talking about.

I am sorry for the mistake. I was just shocked to see that response out of you after your previous post. It seemed sort of “out of no where.”

Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding.

cuse - actually that was my fault for not thinking ahead - if I had realized that once the post was deleted, it would look pretty silly, I would have made it more obvious what I was referring to. Sure gave me a good laugh though - hopefully will do the same for you. Sorry for the confusion and thanks to EGOL.

I was wondering about that too. The mystery post that was deleted. If the name is any indication, I guess I didn't miss anything!

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Geez... not this pathetic loser again....

Don't you understand that your anonymous BS is just a waste of time?

Get lost and take your crap somewhere else. Seo Guy is well known and respected.

Hi Cuse,

I saw your post and posted in Cre8asite forums as well. Its great you are checking up on the stats of the some of the companies, before you decide what company to finally choose. I wanted to make one point in regards to:



It is justified for a couple of reasons. One, its like insurance sometimes for the company that provides the services. If you can't pay that much for their work, then they don't want to deal with you. Corporate SEO companies are different animals then your smaller firm. Additionally you should factor in link costs (if they buy links), administrative costs, copywriting, costs of submission to some directories, and many other things. The bulk of this goes to administrative, and the consultants that work on the project. At the end of the month, there isn't a whole lot of profit for that amount.
However it could be all B.S. and they are overcharging.
Optimization on a large scale is tough work on the body and mind. Trust me on this, I used to manage over 45 clients at one time, and I optimize on average 2-4 websites a week, spend like 10-15 hours on the phone a week, stay up all nights of week, write articles, and develop ideas for organizing it all into an application. I was a machine, and it eventually got to me. I was doing great work, but I was exhausted. Its very detailed work sometimes if you want to do it right, and consider all the technologies. I realized you need to charge accordingly for this.

While I believe you can probably get a good job at one of the companies above. I would say recommend considering another moderate sized company that might give you more for your money, and make you a priority, not a priority for the amount of money you want to give them.

ipdaily, even if he wasnt well respected here, its a low blow to post something so damaging and as a personal attack on a public forum.

Even after reading your article 'ipdaily', I still dont see anything wrong with any of the methods you explain that he used.

- Google bombing is basically getting as many outside links to a website with the same anchor text in order to rank well for that term.
(last i checked, we all do this! Without anchor text and backlinks nobodys site will be found in google for the terms that they want to be found for.)

- And many people also BUY links. Even if it is against googles TOS, people will do that anyway. Imagine a world without search engines. You'd be trying to get as many people to your website as possible, and buying links from popular high traffic sites, would be one of the best ways of achieving this.

If you have a beef with him, take it up with him personally, otherwise, dont post your nonsense here, if you knew what you were talking about when writing that, you would realise that the methods that you mentioned in your article are infact legitimate whitehat methods of seo.

I didn't write the article in that link I gave: For christ sake read the friggin post properly.

u wankers

That statement still stands, even more so now that i have picked that article to bits and revealed it as pure heresy and misrepresentation. It obviously doesnt give the full story.
And that, my friend is a non-biased opinion. I do not know seo guy and have never conversed with him/her either.


Fair enough. But your post would have been better recieved by giving a first hand experience of dealing with seo guy.
Not quoting a hate page. Of which you know no background of their beef with him. (or so you claim)

It is not a good business ethic to slam another company publicly. Not to mention the legal repercussions that you may face in making those comments.

Can you guys please take this off this thread, into personal PM. I am tempted to delete the last 6 posts, as they have little to do with what the thread was originally about. Helping someone who is looking for SEO services. Not someone who is looking to slam an SEO company (ipdaily). Dereg, makes a good point, if you don't have proof or evidence then don't jump to conclusions. Your argument could have basis, but then again there is nothing to support it.

:-?