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Old March 4th, 2004, 09:49 PM
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I've gotta say, "outting" firms online is a risky move. By all means, discuss theoretically a company that is using XYZ technique. Heck, even use a lot of their literature without names and numbers, but be very very careful how far you go.

good point....but its no different than what goes on every day at a site like epinions.com ...for example...if it relates to the facts of an experience you had....then its fair game. all seochat needs to do is get themselves one of those 'disclaimers'
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Defamation, sometimes called "defamation of character", is spoken or written words that falsely and negatively reflect on a living person's reputation.

If a person or the news media says or writes something about you that is understood to lower your reputation, or that keeps people from associating with you, defamation has occurred. Slander and libel are two forms of defamation.

Slander is a spoken defamation.

Libel is a written defamation. Generally, radio and television broadcasts that are defamatory are considered to be libel, rather than slander.

In order to prove defamation, you have to be able to prove that what was said or written about you was false. If the information is true, or if you consented to publication of the material, you will not have a case. However, you may bring an defamatory action if the comments are so reprehensible and false that they effect your reputation in the community or cast aspersions on you.

A fair critique is not libelous, even though the comments or criticism are disparaging and may result in a loss of business or reputation.


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Well said requiem!

...maybe requiem should have included a definition for 'plagiarism' too.

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A fair critique is not libelous, even though the comments or criticism are disparaging and may result in a loss of business or reputation.

Which is what legally? I think saying things like:
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Not only are they ripping people off but they are also lieing (sic) to them!!

surely is beyond "fair critique". Anhoo, why risk it?

I understand people's statements, and I know what you all say is probably correct, but a law suit, even one you win, is a waste of both time and money. Forget legalities, forget justifications, the best thing people can do is keep it general. Why make oneself a target, not just legally but physically?

Besides, it is much better to talk in generalities, simply because the general principals will always be similar, but specifics only educate about one instance.

I just mention all because it is often assummed in forums that we are all friends at a pub, and anything ggoes. Not so, and in a litigious society, better safe than sorry.

Anyhoo, just my $0.02.
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i aint no attorney...but i seen 'my cousin vinny' over 100 times.

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Well said requiem!

requiem...whatever.
i didnt see you race to correct pk when he made this comment about your 'genius' post.
you are doing some fancy backpeddling now that you are 'busted' though.

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yes...i have issues with plagiarism.

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In order to prove defamation, you have to be able to prove that what was said or written about you was false.

Unless, of course you happen to be the government. In that case, even when true, one can be charged with sedition.

Now that's a real bummer!

A thought-provoking post, requiem. Way to go!!!
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... If there is have any website owner been fined for publishing such material.

I guess US laws apply to every website hosted in the United States, or am I wrong?

I have no idea as well as no legal background. I just know a BS law when I see it and any law that surpresses the truth is BS.

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A thought-provoking post, requiem. Way to go!!!

perhaps it would be nice to pass that gratitude along to the true author of requiems post here:

http://freeadvice.com/law/576us.htm

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I don't like the way this threads going guys. If you want to flame each other please do so privately. Noone else wants to hear it. If you have a problem with requiem relaxzoolander then please take it privately or elsewhere. Lets all make love, not war ;-)

Back on topic.
I agree with projectphp on this one. Not so much due to the threat of litigation, but because it is unfair to bad mouth a company where they dont have the opportunity to defend themselves. There is ALWAYS two sides to every story and I simply dont feel it is fair; even if there is clear evidence of perceived wrong doing; to slag anyone down without them having the chance to respond. I'm going to ask in the mod forum what admins policy is on this and act accordingly. If this thread disapears dont be surprised.

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To be safe rather than sorry I would go after the practice not the practicer

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I think that these practices are scams, and look this website seems to promote them, should you use these practices which are scams NO! Should you use firms that promote them, that decision is up to you based on what you know about their practices.

As for this thread, except for the flaming I think it is useful to users and does not constitute a case against SEO Chat in any way shape or form.
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However because of the flaming I wouldnt be surprised to see this thread gone either

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