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Old March 18th, 2004, 05:50 PM
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Unhappy Problems with spiders

Hi,

First off, I'm not particularly experienced at SEO. I have a site (http://www.running4women.com) my problem, well one of many, is that the spiders don't appear to be indexing the whole site. In fact they don't seem to get any further than the home page. What could be the possible reasons for this, I don't have to submit every page of the site to search engines do I?

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Old March 18th, 2004, 07:44 PM
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is the site fairly new? it takes google a while (sometimes 2-3 months) to start digging deeper into the site. try getting backlinks into the deep pages as that can help.
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Old March 19th, 2004, 04:16 AM
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spelling:
"website" --- ive seen it but dont prefer it.
" web site" ---- this is most appropriate in my opinion.
"web-site" ----- not even close...even for the uk.

there is a typo at the bottom of the page----"pushing the boudaries"

i would repeat your graphic links [top of page] at the bottom of the page in a text version.

do not refer to your home page as "http://www.running4women.com/index.php" for link urls.
use :http://www.running4women.com/" instead.


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Old March 19th, 2004, 04:26 AM
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It's about 2-3 months old now. When you refer to back-links that means other sites linking to 'deeper' pages of the site rather than just linking to the top level - am I right?

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Thanks for you advice relax, would the way that we spell web site greatly affect the search engine optimization?

When u refer to the graphic links at the top, do you mean the main site categories like 'Health', 'Starting out' etc? How does this work and how would it help?

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When you refer to back-links that means other sites linking to 'deeper' pages of the site rather than just linking to the top level - am I right?

correct.

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Personally, I prefer the <titletag> to be before any <metatags>

I would also lose:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">

These changes will help, but it still sometimes takes Google many months to index all of your pages.
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Change the Navigation

Hey the_lar,

Just as a suggestion DO NOT, get rid of the following:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">

Reason, these lines are used as a declaration for what version of HTML is being used on the page. They are typically called a Document Type Definition (dtd) and are used on a wide majority of websites. The version you are using is correct, and is a shorted (abbreviated) version that is ok by the W3C to use.

The next line is a simple character coding line, in order to tell browsers which characters to display correctly, and in what normal language.

As for your site not being spidered correctly over the past couple of months, there are a few things you should change in order to make it more friendly.

1. Stop using javascript:
<a href="#" onclick="var w=window.open('your_link.htm', 'uploadwin', 'width=400, height=500, status=yes, resizable=no');" class="link">

Use straight static html links such as: <a href="your_link.htm"></a>

If this is automatically set up as part of the backend administration where you insert the links in and it converts them to this method, then fine, but get it changed to straight static links.

2. Establish a meaningful footer navigation at the bottom of all your pages. This will go miles to get the pages spidered located at the bottom of the page.

3. Set up a site map, link this page from the bottom footer navigation on ALL pages. Compile a COMPLETE site map of the site, with STATIC HTML links for all pages on the site.

4. Change the image navigation you have in the top menu to HTML text based menu, this would improve spidering and overall rankings too.

5. This site is using CSS, and certain <div> sections. Ask you website design company to see if they can position the most important content sections and link sections at the top of the page using the <div> sections to do so.

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Just as a suggestion DO NOT, get rid of the following:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

...are used on a wide majority of websites. The version you are using is correct, and is a shorted (abbreviated) version that is ok by the W3C to use... :-)

Ok... So is this one is good for a standard english page?
Including this Doctype line is enough?
I always saw many much longer ones that I never took a chance to include since I was never sure.

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Establish a meaningful footer navigation at the bottom of all your pages. This will go miles to get the pages spidered located at the bottom of the page.

this is what i was talking about.


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Change the image navigation you have in the top menu to HTML text based menu, this would improve spidering and overall rankings too.

i would not do this. this sacrifices aesthetics of your site. the footer navigation will accomplish the necessary spidering functionality of your site.

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When u refer to the graphic links at the top, do you mean the main site categories like 'Health', 'Starting out' etc?

yes...see previous post.

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To understand how search engines view sites I find it useful to view a site with a really simple test browser such as Lynx.

http://www.vordweb.co.uk/standards/download_lynx.asp

Lynx reads a page in a similar way to most robots. It doesn't download pictures. Instead it follows image links using the 'alt' attribute as anchor text.

Lynx completely ignores JavaScript - as the guys say you'll need redundant text or images as links.

If your site is navigable and understandable in Lynx then there is a good chance that search engines will be able to navigate the site as well.

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BTW, the DOC TYPE should always be the first thing you see in the code on a page. It's useful for telling browsers which version of html you are about to throw at them. Not a big problem for mainstream browsers which can figure it out for themselves but maybe a problem for things with less powerful hardware such as mobile phones and internet enabled microwave ovens.

On a php page it should be the first thing you see when you select 'view' then 'source' in Internet Exploder - (ie the first thing after server side stuff).

http://validator.w3.org/ is really useful for checking for mistakes in html, but refuses to do anything unless you have the correct DOC TYPE.

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i redirect mobile phones to another page.
i dont have a site designed your microwaves....yet. :grin:

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