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Old June 4th, 2003, 07:09 PM
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I thought I was in a competitive field, making 5 figures a month. Then, there must be lots of non competitive areas like mine where there is $$$ to be made.

I sometimes judge a fields competitiveness by the PR of the first few web sites. It tells me how difficult it is to get the the top. I know some use WordTracker to judge competitiveness. What are you using to determine competitivenss?

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I thought I was in a competitive field, making 5 figures a month. Then, there must be lots of non competitive areas like mine where there is $$$ to be made.

I sometimes judge a fields competitiveness by the PR of the first few web sites. It tells me how difficult it is to get the the top. I know some use WordTracker to judge competitiveness. What are you using to determine competitivenss?


Wordtracker really isn't that good at determining competitiveness > more to the point it only provides the number of probable matches found (which may or may not be related).

The only "gut" call is the use of "quotes" for a particular search term (even with a single word) and the appearing results is really what you have to overcome... or the "more difficult" sites.

As a guage when using "Quotes" under 100K of results (in Google) is a realistic short-term target over 1 million not worth attempting (immediately anyway).

Note: this still does not indicate precisely how much work is needed to reach top ranks > but for myself if after the first update I see a page in top 100 I push forward, if not > seek a less competitive term on the same theme and go after that. This way I am still improving on the "more competitive term" over time until some day able to go after it.
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Just wanted to bring this in to newcomers atention again! ;)

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Note: this still does not indicate precisely how much work is needed to reach top ranks > but for myself if after the first update I see a page in top 100 I push forward, if not > seek a less competitive term on the same theme and go after that. This way I am still improving on the "more competitive term" over time until some day able to go after it.


So you say PAGE. Do you check each page of your site for it's position? Or is it the web site that you check? Do you use many small sites or a few large ones? Do you keep adding pages or web sites?

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Note: this still does not indicate precisely how much work is needed to reach top ranks > but for myself if after the first update I see a page in top 100 I push forward, if not > seek a less competitive term on the same theme and go after that. This way I am still improving on the "more competitive term" over time until some day able to go after it.


So you say PAGE. Do you check each page of your site for it's position? Or is it the web site that you check? Do you use many small sites or a few large ones? Do you keep adding pages or web sites?


Site size is always an issue e.g. the more unique content / pages a website has the more diversity they have. In generally however, I personal don't "check" anything on initial "optimization" but add cookie based tracking code (e.g. hitslinks, indextools, or extreme-dm.com/tracking/ to name a few), and use the referrals from here to define what pages I target for what terms. (e.g. someone doing a deep search and finding you is more productive than you searching/checking all pages yourself).

Also I have found that even in small sites (6 - 25 pages) you can quickly add highly relevant and very effective "ranking" content early to a sites development without even knowing anything about the sites real topics, markets or industry.

A glossary of terms are highly effectly and the online resources (many non-copyrighted and royalty free) is a copy and paste process with only time to add links back and forth between the original site content and the 27 pages of terms (glossary index, and A - Z).

Also if you have PDF design capability that same glossary can be quickly converted to a PDF version and open for download. With your embeded absolute URLs in each glossary terms you receive 100's of new backlinks, PageRank and relevancy for every single site that add this to their site (an added value resource).

Have one site that jump from a mere 50 backlinks to 10,000 in 4 months.

Definitely worth the effort eh!

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What is the robot, follow, index command good for? It is really essential towards your ranking on Google?

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What is the robot, follow, index command good for? It is really essential towards your ranking on Google?


Not really unless you have something link <META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="noindex,nofollow"> or one or the other there.

<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="index,follow"> is the correct one or all in place of index,follow is the same

No having it does not affect anything in google but may in smaller SEs..

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Fathom can you give more details on this. I could not quite follow it...

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A glossary of terms are highly effectly and the online resources (many non-copyrighted and royalty free) is a copy and paste process with only time to add links back and forth between the original site content and the 27 pages of terms (glossary index, and A - Z).

Also if you have PDF design capability that same glossary can be quickly converted to a PDF version and open for download. With your embeded absolute URLs in each glossary terms you receive 100's of new backlinks, PageRank and relevancy for every single site that add this to their site (an added value resource).


do you have an example?

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Fathom can you give more details on this. I could not quite follow it...

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A glossary of terms are highly effectly and the online resources (many non-copyrighted and royalty free) is a copy and paste process with only time to add links back and forth between the original site content and the 27 pages of terms (glossary index, and A - Z).

Also if you have PDF design capability that same glossary can be quickly converted to a PDF version and open for download. With your embeded absolute URLs in each glossary terms you receive 100's of new backlinks, PageRank and relevancy for every single site that add this to their site (an added value resource).


do you have an example?


A website has content (and keywords) often keywords on a page can be linked to a definition (a glossary) for further clarification like:

intellectual property - n. - A product of the intellect that has commercial value, including copyrighted property such as literary or artistic works, and ideational property, such as patents, appellations of origin, business methods, and industrial processes.

Obviously now additional website content but also if turning this into a PDF (or a download from of your glossary) it can be used by others - and the preceived work involve means the many will simply just post the PDF on their website and link their pages to it.

Should all the keywords also be link anchors back to your page pages (not the glossary but the page(s) that link to the glossary) - each time a website owner adds to their website the PDF these are backlinks to you.

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Interesting and smart concept!
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Updated a few lines in the first post. If all the site review psoters read and apply the suggestions here we won't have to repeat the same posts.

Less junk on the forum. ;)

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I am going to make this a sticky for this forum. i agree - this answer most people's questions right off the bat. So Please read this before posting.

Then feel free to post your specific questions.

Thank you simplebiz for taking the time to put this together.

People, feel free to add your tips to this thread.

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i have created the how to's of most of the suggestions here its a free seo tutorial so I encourage those that didnt follow some of this or even if you did to go check it out - pm me and tell me what you think or if you have any questions
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