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    Jim Boykin and John Mueller on Disavow


    Here's a good read you might find interesting.
    here
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    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    Here's a good read you might find interesting.
    here
    You don't know anything more than you already knew and since you are already guessing - guessing some more about things you don't really know about already just because John Mueller spoke about things he can't really speak about with any authority means you can't really learning anything from these reports.

    You first need the Google Rep to disclose how accurate their information is or equally understand the context of the reference:

    1. did you just learn some privileged information? (NO! ...not likely)
    2. did you get a canned answer that doesn't really say anything because Google reps will not disclose what can be used to circumvent their guidelines. (YES! ...very likely)
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    You don't know anything more than you already knew and since you are already guessing - guessing some more about things you don't really know about already just because John Mueller spoke about things he can't really speak about with any authority means you can't really learning anything from these reports.
    I don't know about you but it confirmed my thought process.
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    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    I don't know about you but it confirmed my thought process.
    Confirmed a solution?

    ...or just a thought on what might work?
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    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    I don't know about you but it confirmed my thought process.
    What is your thought process?

    + I'm surprised you read all this and found it interesting since it's all about webmaster tools/disavow tool and you wont have webmaster tools to begin with.
    I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill
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    What is your thought process?
    in Red in part 2
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    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    in Red in part 2
    I actually read
    "theoretically you could do that, yeah".
    Not [paraphrasing] "we confirmed that you are 100% on the money"

    Paper recovery is not practical recovery.
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    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    in Red in part 2

    Jim: But if it’s automatic – an auto one – so if you didn’t receive the email from Google and you were hit then you don’t have to send the emails then correct? You can just use the disavow.

    John: Theoretically you could do that, yeah.
    How would you know it was automatic and not manual if you don't have GWT to check?.
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    I actually read
    no one said you didn't

    Paper recovery is not practical recovery.
    I don't have a clue what your sayin or getting at.

    How would you know it was automatic and not manual if you don't have GWT to check?.
    your correct I personally don't use GWT on my any of 'my' sites, but whats that got to do with the weather in China and GWT isn't the only set of tools one can use. However it is if your going to play with the disavow tool.

    end result:
    I think the set of questions and answers are of value, if you don't that's fine. I didn't ask the questions or answer them, I personally got quite a bit of information from that interview. You can call it a guess if you like and that's your prerogative.

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    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    no one said you didn't


    I don't have a clue what your sayin or getting at.
    Trying to get a straight answer out of Fathom is near impossible isn't it


    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    your correct I personally don't use GWT on my any of 'my' sites, but whats that got to do with the weather in China and GWT isn't the only set of tools one can use. However it is if your going to play with the disavow tool.

    end result:
    I think the set of questions and answers are of value, if you don't that's fine. I didn't ask the questions or answer them, I personally got quite a bit of information from that interview. You can call it a guess if you like and that's your prerogative.
    It's the only tool that will tell you if you have a message from google and notification of a manual action.

    Do you use GWT for your client sites? I thought id read in the past you discouraged clients using any google products.
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    It's the only tool that will tell you if you have a message from google and notification of a manual action.
    were not talking about a manual action. This is for sites that took a dive but didn't get hit with a manual action.

    I only discourage clients from using GWT if they have never used them, if they already have it. I deal with it.
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    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    I don't have a clue what your sayin or getting at.
    Theories are great... but they are "THEORIES ONLY"... JohnMu politely said "Jim you have a theory and that could happen but I doubt it".

    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    your correct I personally don't use GWT on my any of 'my' sites, but whats that got to do with the weather in China and GWT isn't the only set of tools one can use.
    You can't get notified by some other source that Google Webspam Team slapped a Manual Review on a domain. You only need Google tools to problem-solve this.

    I think the set of questions and answers are of value, if you don't that's fine. I didn't ask the questions or answer them, I personally got quite a bit of information from that interview. You can call it a guess if you like and that's your prerogative.
    But I'm not guessing.
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    Originally Posted by Test-ok
    were not talking about a manual action. This is for sites that took a dive but didn't get hit with a manual action.

    I only discourage clients from using GWT if they have never used them, if they already have it. I deal with it.
    You're missing a big piece of the puzzle by not investing in WMT.

    You lose more than you gain by avoiding it.
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    You're missing a big piece of the puzzle by not investing in WMT.
    who said anything about not investing in GWT? I only avoid it with my 'personal sites'
    your assuming too much.
    Theories are great... but they are "THEORIES ONLY"... JohnMu politely said "Jim you have a theory and that could happen but I doubt it".
    That's not what I got from it...What I got was John said...humm. yea I guess you could use it that way. which is exactly what I've thought and it's working. Now how long? I don't know, his next sentence said it could piss off the manual reviewers, but it hasn't yet. Ya know one of those things that maybe they didn't think about...yet.

    You can't get notified by some other source that Google Webspam Team slapped a Manual Review on a domain. You only need Google tools to problem-solve this.
    And again...were not talking about manual reviews.
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    I'd like to add this...it's not that you use the disavow tool..it's how you use the disavow tool.
    hopefully that'll help.
    Last edited by Test-ok; Sep 7th, 2013 at 05:39 PM.

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