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Old June 26th, 2008, 02:28 AM
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I'll always using for the "keyword" to see how competitive it is. If you incluce allintext:keyword, it gives you different result.

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Old June 26th, 2008, 08:30 AM
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I'll always using for the "keyword" to see how competitive it is. If you incluce allintext:keyword, it gives you different result.


yes, there is an extreme difference between keyword and "keyword". that's the reason why I was asking.

also, what do you do with such keyword phrases:

my funny keyword
my keyword funny
funny my keyword

can you optimize pages for these 3 different keyword phrases or doesn't it make sense?

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Old June 26th, 2008, 08:50 AM
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yes, there is an extreme difference between keyword and "keyword". that's the reason why I was asking.


Yes there is a difference, it's because a broad match search will return any page with any of your search words on it in any order and with anything in between them. Using quotes will only return pages with all your words, in the order that you typed them but with anything in between them.

But.....how many people do you know who use speech marks to do searches? I optimise for the majority. If I do my optimisation properly I return well for the quoted searches anyway.

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also, what do you do with such keyword phrases:

my funny keyword
my keyword funny
funny my keyword

can you optimize pages for these 3 different keyword phrases or doesn't it make sense?


The most important thing is your backlinks and unless you want to have three sets of backlinks all pointing to the same page but with three different sets of anchor text, I would optimise for one phrase per page, maybe two related phrases for LSI reasons. It's a good way to use your runner up phrases from the analysis.

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Old June 26th, 2008, 09:23 AM
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Thanks for your tips. Now I've been researching for keywords in my niche using the free wordtracker tool and google adwords.

google adwords gives me much more keyword phrases than the free wordtracker tool. Because of this I have a list with some keywords but no detailed results for the search count / amount of searches (no numbers, adwords does only show a green bar) for some keywords.

what would you recommend me? do I need to buy the paid version of wordtracker to get more keywords?

one more question: I've been doing every step you described and it took me about 1 hour for only about 40 keywords - is there no way to automate the process a bit? any scripts or tools?

EDIT:
while I am doing my keyword list in excel I stumbled across a keyword phrase that has 1,4 million results in google, but 0 results when I use intitle:"keyword" and intitle:"keyword" + inanchor:"keyword". Is this good ?! would you go for it?!

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Old June 26th, 2008, 09:48 AM
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Thanks for your tips. Now I've been researching for keywords in my niche using the free wordtracker tool and google adwords.

google adwords gives me much more keyword phrases than the free wordtracker tool. Because of this I have a list with some keywords but no detailed results for the search count / amount of searches (no numbers, adwords does only show a green bar) for some keywords.

what would you recommend me? do I need to buy the paid version of wordtracker to get more keywords?

one more question: I've been doing every step you described and it took me about 1 hour for only about 40 keywords - is there no way to automate the process a bit? any scripts or tools?

EDIT:
while I am doing my keyword phrase list in excel I stumbled across a keyword that has 1,4 million results in google, but 0 results when I use intitle:"keyword" and intitle:"keyword" + inanchor:"keyword". Is this good ?! would you go for it?!


I use Wordtracker for the search counts, you have to have a good idea how many people are actually searching using those phrases before you can look at the competition for those phrases. It's the most important thing, otherwise you're just guessing what people are actually looking for and if you pick a bad keyword phrase, then everything you do after that is a waste of time.

In your example, that would be an amazing phrase if there is actually anybody searching for it, is there?

And no, I haven't found a way to automate the process, it's tedious but necessary.

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Old June 26th, 2008, 10:18 AM
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I've checked this keyword phrase and there is no or very small seach volume (no result on free wordtracker tool and 2/10 on google adwords keyword tool).

Do you know if the free wordtracker keyword tool does not show up all results (even if there are very few searches for that keyword)?

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Old June 26th, 2008, 11:01 AM
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Do you know if the free wordtracker keyword tool does not show up all results (even if there are very few searches for that keyword)?


Wordtracker only keeps results for two months so seasonal keywords may not show. Other than it's very good for figuring out if a keyword is popular or not but the counts should not be considered to be completely accurate. They're just an indicator.

Keyword discovery is also good, comparing results from both can help.

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Old July 2nd, 2008, 03:16 AM
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Hi again,

ok, now could you explain me this:

I'm ranking on position no. 1 in Google for MyKeyword (just an example, don't want to reveal my real keyword ).

The competition for MyKeyword is:
232,000 hits (in Google)

intitle:"MyKeyword" = 1,160 results
intitle:"MyKeyword" + inanchor:"MyKeyword" = 1,040 results

Then I look at the competition for MyKeyword in Google. Most of the top ten sites have PageRank 2. My site has Pagerank 1.

When I did the intitle, intitle + inanchor research then I did not even find my site.

So can you tell me how is it possible that I'm on position 1 on google with this MyKeyword ??? Where's the indicator that tells me that I can rank no. 1 for MyKeyword (because I did not do any keyword research before for this website, it's just pure luck ) in this case ???

Oh and I have only few backlinks to my site (from about 3 different domains, but from 4000 different URLs within one of these 3 domains)

Thank you for your help!

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Old July 2nd, 2008, 12:35 PM
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intitle:"MyKeyword" = 1,160 results
intitle:"MyKeyword" + inanchor:"MyKeyword" = 1,040 results

Then I look at the competition for MyKeyword in Google. Most of the top ten sites have PageRank 2. My site has Pagerank 1.

When I did the intitle, intitle + inanchor research then I did not even find my site.


Hey.

Does that mean that you've added it to the title etc but it's not showing up in the cached version yet? If so, it just means that you're ranking number one for it without needing it there and given that there are 1040 SEO'd competing pages that's a little odd.

Then again, the fact that you're ranking number one without trying suggests that it's a non-competitive phrase.

These facts do not add up! But without knowing the phrase, I can't really offer an explanation.

And you're welcome btw

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"The formula that we have chosen is KEI = (P^2/C), i.e. KEI is the square of the popularity of the keyword and divided by its competitiveness." - Wordtracker.


first you note search, search counter, intitle:"keyword", intitle:"keyword"&inanchor:"keyword";

your formula is (P^2/C), i am confuse where you are using all things that you have noted in spreadsheet. can you please explain your formula in details.

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I like to use yahoo site explorer to take a look at the backlink profile of the pages that rank at the top of the search results for my target keywords. You can get a decent idea of how hard it will be to take that top spot from them by looking at this.

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Keyword Competition

I think the best way to check keyword competition is by using Google Adwords keyword tool. It will give all relevant keywords according to the website and also show the amount of traffic on particular keywords on Google. I prefer Google Adwords as its very easy to use and it will give traffic based on local and global searches of the keywords worldwide.

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