gateway pages

I am experimenting with gateway pages, and I couldn´t find serious e-marketing data about them.

For instance, how effective are the gateways made by different softwares or methods?

Has anyone bothered to monitor their being spidered, indexed and visited?

What parameters are proved right or wrong with them?

Where is the limit between content/gateway page, considering the first an accepted practice and the second an abusive one?

Thanks for any clue...

bad bad bad bad bad bad bad

Google will ban you... read their info here:
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Quality Guidelines - Basic principles:

Make pages for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your users, or present different content to search engines than you display to users.
Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"

Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

Don't use unauthorized computer programs to submit pages, check rankings, etc. Such programs consume computing resources and violate our terms of service. Google does not recommend the use of products such as WebPosition Gold™ that send automatic or programmatic queries to Google.

Quality Guidelines - Specific recommendations:

Avoid hidden text or hidden links.
Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
Don't send automated queries to Google.
Don't load pages with irrelevant words.
Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.
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the ONLY reason they say that is because they can't stop you from getting away with it...

go ahead and do it, spam as much as you want and you wont get banned, it will be hard to rank well for the keyterms but give it a go....

make sure you include some images and don't target my keyword phrases...

goodluck

My advice is quite to the contrary of TheWatchers..

There is something called the SEO code of ethics, which means that I (as a professional SEO) should not endorse these methods of spamming. I do not endore them for 2 reasons:

1. They waste space on the web and bandwidth.
2. They simply do not work in the long term, unless you have an absolutly perfect strategy, which is close to impossible. You will only get away with it if you have a lot of inbound links from highish PR sites, that's something Google will find difficult to ignore.

Maybe Google won't catch the unauthorized use of door way pages, but when I use my [not-recommended ] Web Postion Gold [in secrecy 8) of course] and see that my rankings went down ops: - then maybe I see what you are doing and report you to Google and they see what you are doing and ban you.

[Certainly someone who lost $100K of business would be likely to do this, and proably has the right to]

If you do it, do not tell anyone. Do not ask for advice when spamming.


You're better off not doing it and simply optimizing your site for your end user and the search engines in an ethical manner.

Yes, I agree with Darrin..

there are ethics to seo, if you are working for yourself using aff progs to get your $ then sure spam...but if your optimizing business websites then of course doorways are a no no...

spamming is hard to catch, but if your out to spam for adult related terms its fine, but when spamming for mainstream it is just not worth it...or fair

watcher,

I see the poker.vu site has a really long title.

Do the search engines pick up on the whole title, b/c i read (here and in articles) that 8 words or 60 characters is as far as the SE's see.

I agree with Darrin, and I would like to add this:

It seems that if you look at the amount of work it takes to create doorway pages, stuff keywords all over the place, dodge the google rules, and all the other tricky things, you'd could spend that time adding meaningful content to your site and developing relationships with other webmasters, etc. and gain just as much popularity and traffic.

Also, there is something to be said about not being an *** online. Why fight the search engines all the time, and worry about whether you are going to get banned. It's so much easier just to compete with eveyrone else and do your best to be better.

just my 2c.

then explain this...a program that randomly generates content interlinks the sites and can make over 30 websites in 3 minutes?

the domain is nude-lesbians.info

type in google "nude lesbians"

there are about 30 other domains that are his they are all .info's and .biz's....

this guy is "google god" and don't bother submitting him to google's spam cuz he has been submitted about 10000000 times and he still beats google...

what a legend...

Are you inferring that Google is selective with their bans?

Tne spamming/anti-spamming issue is the same as the virus/antivirus fight, and long ago, the copy-protection/anti copy-protection fight. This last one refers (for young people around) to software delivered in protected disks, and was won by the hackers.

All these fights can last forever. For instance, for every new virus a new antivirus appears, and then a new virus. Every time Google forbids a feature in content/gateway pages, someone comes up with a bypass around it.

Ethics is an another subject. Just let me say how hard is to explain to my clients that posting gateway pages is considered unethical by the SEO community. They want increased sales and do not care if I use SE spam, email spam, viruses, gateway pages or brute force to promote their sites.

Regarding SE abuse, I am not very concerned about being banned. One or two guys can take the time to complain about my main site, and maybe some Google human will find time to check it out. I doubt it. They are no more than 200 persons to track one trillion pages.

Other sites promoted with gateway pages will be impossible to detect for any robot: it is just a matter of not using a fixed pattern.
No matter how much they threat gateway users, I believe it is a lost battle for Google.

Back to the original question: Are gateway pages efective???? What is the % chance of being banned????? Anyone has a "google laboratory" to conduct experiments on the limits of safe promotion?

Thanks to all of you for the answers !

What does it matter? Your question has been answered several times in this thread and on another forum by SEOs, yet you still want to make a case for why you should do it.

If you're looking for absolution, you probably came to the wrong place.

Actually many on this thread have answered refering to doorway pages when the original question was about gateway pages. They are not the same thing peoples :-)

Gateway pages are essentially pages that have many internal links to assist in the spidering of a website. Doorway pages, are designed not to assist spidering, but to concenttrate a page for a specific search term(s).

Developing special gateway pages imo is unnecessary. What you should do is develop a sitemap, preferably by hand and as long as you have good linking structure throughout your site, thats all you need to do.

Im assuming here do actually mean gateway pages and not doorway pages of course :-)

If you do mean doorway pages, then I can only ditto what darrin says. They really don't work in the long term. If you want to know why they mostly dont work, think pagerank and you can probably work it out for yourself. If they do work think spam report.

The tool is not essencially bad.
If you dump waste on the gateway pages, you are in fault, not the tool.
If you dump good info on the gateway pages, all is OK and all the people find usefull info.