Page 2 - dropping with better keyword density?

Hi alex.....

Keyword density can also be to HIGH....

Ofcourse each SEO will use different techniques....
but explain you a bit mine.... ( a bit )

Try to update your keyword density in segments...

so no matter what is encluded in the weight of ranking
your pages....the outcome will be the same in percentage
of the weight of the TOTAL page

so body text......
keywords
description
alt tags

you name it...

so if a search engine is not counting your keywords....that
the top keywords weight in your page is still the same...

I have seen it many times...using keywords and description
and totally depending on it....a bad gamble...

so make it equal in keyword density....and you can't really lose..



regards, hans

Of course keyword density may not be the problem at all . Keyword density is not really as important as many believe it to be. Densities vary wildly when checking a large sample of top ranked sites.

You may want to consider it is a pagerank issue, perhaps you lost some links with your anchor text. Maybe you were being linked to from a recently taken over domain (google only just stopped pr inheritence on them), or perhaps by shortening your text you accidently deleted an important hx tag or bold or whatever that used your keyword. I personally doubt density is the reason for the fall. My personal favorite density is a little over 5%. I certainly dont get retentive about it though.

first of all, thanks a bunch for all the replies...

I completely agree with all of you, that not density alone or proximity or anything alse alone is the key (would be boring if it was that simple ...)

so I basically use validated plain html with a lot of (meaningfull) text and just doublecheck the density is somewhere in a nice area, that's usually good enough. just this one page gives me a hard time ....

anyway thanks again and keep up the high quality board here (I will be lurking around some more ;-)

regards
alex

of course, they are all parts of the puzzle.

I find those to be the most important. Those including but not limited to...


<title>, Proximity, denisty, <h1> tags, anchors, PR.

Knowing those alone I get top 20 in just about any keyword phrase I've ever tried. With or without a good pr. (meaning 5 or more)

Then again I usually target keywords that are under 20,000 searches (so the overture tool says) and it's never been a problem.

Then again I have 20+ domains and many are cross linked on the same topic.

Check out the listing for #1 ranked site using the keyword "scrapbooking":

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=scrapbooking


The keyword density analyzer gives these results:

Total Words: 1
Occurrences : 2
Count 2
Word Scrapbooking
Density 100%

: : : : : : : :

Well, it's just images and it's URL is scrapbooking

which I should add to the list I just mentioned, URL keyword importance.. Sorry forgot that one oops .

OK Think I made a mess up when doing my index so need a little (make that a lot) of advice here please folks!

OK this is the reading I got from Ranks NL:

File Size: 23809 bytes

Totals, counts, special words
1412 total words in the file.
462 unique words in the file, short words included
2 possible StopWord(s): the with

Total number of words 1412

Total 2 word phrases: 134 - Total Repeats : 410

Total 3 word phrases: 74 - Total Repeats : 182

Total 4 word phrases: 42 - Total Repeats : 97

408 keywords found with density between 1.1% en 10.0% :

76 Outgoing Links Internal Links 67, External Links 9, Internal/External Ratio 7.44

Can someone please tell me if I am going to have problems with that page? I did try and stuff the page with as many keywords that I could, this was before I found this forum BTW, Google is yet to publish the page expect that will be later next month......could I be in trouble?

Thanks

Kruger

What is the proximity of your main keywords? If it's above 70 then, you shoudl be fine.

Sorry for sounding thick but what do you mean by this? Thank you.

go to www.ranks.nl/cgi-bin/ranksnl/spider/spider.cgi?lang=

and put in your url and main keyword - down the page you will see what your score is. Not that this is scientific, but I have noticed that I do well (top 20) on search terms where the keyword proximity is above 70....hell one of my terms has a score in the 90s and I come up #4 for it on google. So my sense is that one needs a combination of strong titles, good keyword density, pages that are not too long (I try to stay around 300 words) and of course backlinks...also don't try to have too many keywords on one page...I focus on one term per page except for my home page, where I am trying for three (one was a gift, so why lose that one)

Hi, thanks for the info, I am not targeting one keyword on my index but about 12 keywords on the page: These are the details I get from Ranks


File Size: 23809 bytes

Totals, counts, special words
1412 total words in the file.
462 unique words in the file, short words included
2 possible StopWord(s): the with

Total number of words 1412

Total 2 word phrases: 134 - Total Repeats : 410

Total 3 word phrases: 74 - Total Repeats : 182

Total 4 word phrases: 42 - Total Repeats : 97

408 keywords found with density between 1.1% en 10.0% :

76 Outgoing Links Internal Links 67, External Links 9, Internal/External Ratio 7.44

12 keywords? i think that's nuts....and how much success are you having with those 12 keywords?

Hi Piel

I only changed it a couple of weeks ago, I thought on the index to have a vared amount of keywords? Am I wrong?

What can/should I do?

Thanks

Like i said - FOCUS on certain terms on each page....spiders will pick up on the words when they crawl you. I may be wrong here, but this is the way I would do it....I tried to no avail to "optimize" for a 1/2 dozen keywords, and that got me nowhere...I am definitely doing better now that I am focusing on one keyword per page.

Focus on 3 or 4 related terms.

The easiest way to do this is to choose a main term that is also in the sub-terms.

If you choose.

Make money

also use

make money online
make money at home
make money in your underpants.

Then your main term covers the later