domain forwarding for my porn?

hello,

i did almost post this last night in the google forum, although honestly i do only really care about my google listing, so it might have been relevent.

my problem is i would like to buy a domain and use cloaking/forwarding so i can keep my actual site at its current obscure location.

how badly will this hurt my google rank?

any wisdom would be greatly appreciated.

First of all, please take out the live link from your fake signature (using Edit), because your post is unconventional enough as it is... Furthermore it would not be wise to use the word cloaking and your hyperlink inside one message on a well-spidered forum

That aside: welcome. Thing is: if G finds out you're cloaking, they could penalize your site. It all depends on the method and the intent...

mkay, sorry to be so offensively unconventional?

i was wondering more whether i wouldn't score as many points with google, by having a forwarded domain, than whether i would be penalized, if that makes sense?

perhaps i might have a better understanding of things if i knew why google might penalize a site with a cloaked URL?

perhaps we aren't talking about the same kind of cloaking?! by cloaking i mean traffic arrives at www.mynice.co.uk which merely points to www.somerandomwebsite.com/randomfolder/randomfolder/randomfolder/index.html, while the end user only sees www.mynice.co.uk.

so i suppose whatever page the user views, the addess field will always display mynice.co.uk. indeed as it does with my current .tk set up - an example of cloaking/forwarding, yes?

will i get a much better google listing if i set it up the ... other way, so that when a user goes to my 'games.html' page they will see www.mynice.co.uk/games.html

thanksh. i think the nature of my website requires me to be competitive seo wise.

Don't the randomfolder/randomfolder things leave more room for keywords in your url, therefore possibly enhancing your ranking? Then again I bet you only want people to get in through the front door.

Anyhow, the url rewrite method is done by lots of webmasters, mostly to make their url look more friendly to the visitor. Personally I can't find any reason why that could be penalised. After all, a url is only a visitor friendly name for an IP address.

Also, when you buy an existing domain with existing page rank, expect its PR to fall at the next update. If you don't mind that, go ahead with the "mynice" domain. I think that in your industry, it is VERY important to have a short, easy to remember and easy to type URL. Some people are just too shy to put it into their favourites folder ;)

wicked, you have said what i wanted to hear.

but it still fear it wouldn't work. my reasons being, in my index.html, i won't be able to use any keyword meta tags, nor will i be able to score points for having relevent text, cos i wouldn't even want any of my pages to be spidered, because they are at the randomfolder/randomfolder location and would be listed in google with that address.

hum?

i don't want people to see the randomfolder/randomfolder stuff, cos it will confuse and so fourth.

When you said redirect, I really assumed you were talking about some sort of permanent redirect code (lots of info on that on the forums if you search for permanent redirect . But apparently you are contemplating a meta tag or javascript one. I don't want to spoil your good mood, but that's going to take some extra effort...

You are right: it means you have to optimize that one page with keywords - without stuffing it to avoid a penalty - and leave it open for bots to spider. G doesn't like these doorway pages I'm told.

Nevertheless, I use the same technique, and I rank well with it (albeit without real competition). But recently I took away the automatic redirect, and added a bit of valuable stuff to the page (bit of graphics for looks, automatic language selector for the foreigners and stats checker for myself). It's your choice really.

right, thanks, you have been most helpful. indeed i did just do a search for 'permanent redirect', fearing that you might have mis-understood my problem.

but i found this; http://forums.seochat.com/t13424/s.html

'When G's searchbots encounter a 301 Redirect, they pursue it and treat the case as if the original link were to the redirect page.'

which suggests i can fill my index.html with keywords (without being ****ish about it) and meta tags, and it will be lapped up by spiders and will appear in search results as http://www.myniceplayfilth.co.uk even though that file reeaally lives at some randomwebsite/randomfolder/randomfolder location.

and yet the randomwesbites/randomfolder/randomfolder/index.html URL will never appear in a google search?

tell me it is so? all i need is to learn this 301 business?

what i had meant was i wanted a solution like i had with the .tk people - my site isn't actually spidered, but when you sign up for your .tk you supply keywords and a site description etc.

but i wanted a solution that works really well. 301 perminent redirect lark?

thanks again.

a 301 is a permanent redirect, intended for sites wanting to redirect to another domain, google prefers this kind of redirect but treats it as though you are moving content from one domain to another.

here is how a 301 redirect works.

Say i have the domain 'spanner.com'.
I decide that i sell more 'red spanners than standard spanners, and so I purchase the domain 'redspanner.com'.

I want to move my site over to 'redspanner.com' and still keep my ranking and/or PR.
I would do a 301 redirect from 'spanner.com' to the new 'redspanner.com' domain.

Google will follow 'spanner.com' to 'redspanner.com'
and index the new domain 'redspanner.com'.

I am unsure what happens to the old domain (spanner.com), but i presume it will eventually drop from the serps.

so it seems that a 301 is NOT what you want, as you still want your new redirected page listed to the old domain.

maybe a domain alias is what you need? or investigate domain forwarding etc....

Maybe you'd better autom. rewrite all your "not-so-nice" urls into "nice" ones, but then you prob need more info on that. I suggest you do a search on url rewrite (or more specific mod_rewrite, is it?) and see if it's helpful. It's not in my book so I'm not much use to you there... Good luck anyway.

yeah, i am confused, obviously. but by chance i think this confusion has led to a solution?

suppose i register www.nicememorable.co.uk which then re-directs to (with masking/cloaking so you never see anything but a lovely url) www.random.co.uk/randomfolder/randomfolder/index.html, which is full of keywords and other spider treats.

so a google search for my sort of business would perhaps come up with

nicememorable.co.uk, in a good place, on account of all the relevent stuff at random.co.uk/randomfolder/randomfolder/

or not?

after all, ''When G's searchbots encounter a 301 Redirect, they pursue it and treat the case as if the original link were to the redirect page.'

but i suppose the url masking/cloaking thing wouldn't matter much to google? so it would list the (wrong) correct, long, obscure URL...

anyone know what i need to know? i really do appeciate all help!

SOOOO,

i know you can use masking/forwarding with keyword and description meta tags, but can you use masking/cloaking/forwarding AND make use of the HTML text content of your website? which is at a random location i don't want google to list.

humm?

Hi,
Sorry if i'm offtopic, but just one intermediate questions while we are at it.

Considering redirection, i always thought that g**gle penalizes javascript or meta redirects.
Though the other day i was checking the search term "erotic stories" and the top page spit out by G**gle is a page that not only has a redirect, but except the title no, none, nada.. relevant keywords.
the only words on the page (and in the sourcecode) are: please wait.. you will be redirected to one of our mirrors.. if you r browser doesn't support redirection click here!

my question: is there a secret about this kind of redirection??? and about this kind of ranking?? (OK its only PR5 but thats not bad for a penalized page)

(sorry again if i'im off topic, but as you were mentionning redirects a bit earlier it thought i could ask my question here)

Luc