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    Question Commas between keywords?


    Seems my <meta name="keywords"> that put me in #2 position before the Florida update have put me to page 2 (or 4, depending on which server reports). In my keywords, do I use a comma and a space, or just a space? Been awhile since my keyword optimization and wondering if things have changed. I'm going to chop it back I think, but do think the following keywords (currently being used) would cause hinderance in the search engines? In my opinion, and seeing what my competition uses, I think I can bring this down to only a few simple words. ;)

    <meta NAME="Keywords" CONTENT="Sausage Source, sausage making, sausage making equipment, sausage making kit, making sausage, sausage stuffer, sausage stuffers, sausage seasoning, sausage recipe, smoking sausage, smoked sausage, sausage smoker, smokers, meat smokers, sausage, casings, hog casing, sausage casing, natural casing, collagen casing, meat grinder, meat slicers, grinding meat, meat grinding, curing meat, meat curing, meat seasoning, BBQ sauce, barbecue sauce, cold smoking, smoking chips, wood chips, smoked sausage, hot sauce, habanero sauce, jalapeno sauce, hunter supplies, grinders, stuffers, seasoning, curing, cures, cooking, spices, herbs, rubs, brines, marinade, marinades, marenade, barbecue, smoked, smoking, link, kielbasa, bratwurst, pepperoni, hunting, hunter, preparing wild game, books, knives, cutlery, equipment, butchering equipment, meat processing, meat processing equipment, jerky, beef jerky, buffalo, buffalo jerky, venison, venison jerky, jerky seasoning, jerky making, snack sticks, buffalo snack sticks, venison snack sticks, corned beef, summer sausage, italian sausage, pork sausage, breakfast sausage, Trespade, Porkert"

    I think I'm being dis'd because for the last few months I see "keyword_rollover" as my highest search word referral. LOL! Just realized I'm being slammed somewhere! ROFL! Anyway, unfortunately in search engines the word "sausage" is used in conjunction with other words such as 'sausage equipment', 'sausage making', 'sausage seasoning', 'sausage smokers', etc. Can I use these other words singularly so I won't be seen as spamming (not my intention). I guessI'm asking if I should change my keywords to "sausage, making, seasoning, smokers, grinders, mincers, stuffers, equipment, jerky, spices" (etc). Would that harm my ranking when someone searches on any of these terms?
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    Found my answer. Sorry for posting this in the wrong forum. Lost track of where I was when I posted. Anyway, all fixed... all happy.
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    So...what did you do?


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    I went with the tried and true comma space method to separate each word I used previously. Some sites say just a comma (no space), others say a space. Would be interesting to find out from the search engines themselves which method is preferred or if it even really matters. Having a comma only makes sense and spaces should be left to multiple word phrases imo.
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    I've also been wondering about this, and as I'm new to SEO, would really appreciate some further info on whaether to comma/space or not, and does it ONLY concearn 'meta name=keywords', or does it apply to 'meta name=descriptions' also?
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    When it comes to the bigger SE's the meta tag doesn't apply or is'nt that important anymore. The others that are still using it request comas between keywords and if you read their submission rules before submitting they should say this clearly.

    The trick is not to repeat the same keywords to many times, as some SE's have major issues with this (Not more than twice). The # kw's can also be limited in some cases. I use on average 600 characters for keyword tag and 80 characters for my Description tag. That way I keep most SE's and directories happy.

    I absolutely avoid comas in my description tag. Seems to work best.
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    Thanks Rojo. Early on I had followed advice (old info, was over a year ago). If I remember correctly the old (and now bad (slapping hand)) information basically said that I shouldn't repeat the same keyword more than 3x and no longer than 1024 chars, description shouldn't be over 255 chars & didn't emphasize the title. By looking at my keywords in my first post, you can see why google kicked me down to the 5th page... hence my quest to be more SE passive-aggressive.

    Now I'm using fresh information to be more googley & metasearch-friendly. I'm using modules that make my pages a little more SE friendly in my Miva Merchant store, etc. Now... my description is less than 255 chars, title is more correct and descriptive (using main keywords), I'm using additional meta tags (robot, revisit, copyright & abstract) & I manually created a site map that I had to break down into 8 sub-pages alphabetically since I have about 400 links, one for each item in the store. My overall intention is not to spam the engines, but to simply have my store seen on the first page under my key main word or a broadmatch on that word. I had many backlinks, but google dropped them for some reason along with those sites.

    I appreciate the tips. The sticky post in this forum helped substantially... glad the admin did that.

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    Just remember that each SEO specialist has his/her own rules that works for him, my average specs might be different from the other SEO specialists. The big "secret" here is to do your own investigation. Make a list of all the search engines that is most important to your website and your country. Many country specific SE's are forgotten and usually it is them that have very specific rules when it comes to the amount of characters or words for Title, Meta and description tags. In my case though I make sure that the BIG boys are happy with me without sacrificing the country specific SE's. I rank #1 to #30 out of 140,000 for my local SE's and #1 - 10 on Google. Keep in mind I manage about 340 sites,... until the end of the year anyway. (Found greener pastures).

    In the beginning I tried to rank good on as many SE's as possible on as many (20 - 30) kw's as possible. This has changed to 3 - 5 keyword phrases #1 on Google. Somehow the other sites seems to be happy with me as well, so great!!! It is just this Florida thing that I am still sorting out. It hit me BIG!!! aaaaahhhh there POPs another grey hear.
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    commas, spaces and keywords!!!!!!


    Hi, I just joined the forum as I'm desperately working to optimise our family business web site.
    I was particularly interested to know about commas and/or spaces between keywords. I can't really glean much from the discussion other than some seem to prefer it and others don't.....??? As you can probably tell, I'm a complete novice when it comes to web site management.

    My husband's a builder/plasterer and our business incorporates a full building maintenance service. There are so many keyword combinations I could use, including town names (as we only cover a certain area around London), so I have put in many along the lines of builder watford, plasterer harrow, plastering and screeding kensington, painting and decorating edgware, etc etc. I just wondered if the SEs would get ticked off if they see lots of "plastering ---------(place name), plastering ----(other place name)", and so on. Can anyone advise?
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    beadymel, welcome to the forum

    I'm not surprised you didn't get much out of this particular thread, since it is VERY old ;)

    For any future questions, maybe you'd better select a newer one or start your own. But since we're here (and since it's quite enjoyable to scan one of the ancient threads now and again)...


    Fact is that there's little value in the "keywords" meta tag nowadays. If anything, having too many occurences of the same word in it might trigger some sort of ranking penalty.

    It's better to stick to listing just a couple of major keywords, esp. because they won't really help your page rank better. Commas or spaces doesn't matter at all.

    If your site has mulitple pages, select different sets of (highly applicable) keywords for every single page.

    Anyway, it's MUCH more important to get other sites to link to you, using your keywords as clickable text (anchor text). That will seriously help your page's ranking on the search engines' results pages.
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    Wow... that's a REALLY old post I made about this.
    Meta keywords not being all hellfire important anymore, is accurate. The only search engines that keywords matter to are meta engines like metasearch, dogpile and the like... not the important engines. ;) I'd obviously still put in keywords and not abandon the concept at all. I wouldn't use the same word two or three times to be safe, as I believe Wit is correct when he says penalization in ranking might occur. In the olden days (couple years back) it was said that the same word shouldn’t appear as a word or in a phrase more than 3 times. Looking at my keywords I did just that. ;) In your own example you used plastering. Put your most descriptive words first. The old meta engine method gives them more relevance. Choose your biggest borough to aim for and use it. Example of what I would personally use:
    plasterer, plastering, screeding, harrow, harrowing, plasterer london, plasterer watford, etc etc.
    Google, Yahoo & MSN could care less about keywords, although (since most of SEO is all speculation anyway) it might just give the search engines a starting point... who knows.
    This is all personal opinion and could be totally wrong just as well as anyone else’s opinion here… unless that person is the search engine architect. LOL!
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    Originally Posted by LinkBratwurst™
    This is all personal opinion and could be totally wrong just as well as anyone else’s opinion here… unless that person is the search engine architect. LOL!
    True but I'd pretty much take the mod's word or some sick individual like Wit who posts more than works (just jokes Wit) as pretty much fact. They know what works and what doesnt whereas people like me are still trying and failing and learning.
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    Originally Posted by Wit
    Fact is that there's little value in the "keywords" meta tag nowadays. If anything, having too many occurences of the same word in it might trigger some sort of ranking penalty.

    It's better to stick to listing just a couple of major keywords, esp. because they won't really help your page rank better. Commas or spaces doesn't matter at all.

    If your site has mulitple pages, select different sets of (highly applicable) keywords for every single page.

    Anyway, it's MUCH more important to get other sites to link to you, using your keywords as clickable text (anchor text). That will seriously help your page's ranking on the search engines' results pages.
    Many thanx, advice duly noted. Next step is, having modified my keywords and begun to establish links, how do I get the SE spiders to come and check out my site asap and on a regular basis?
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    It's all in the links, pointing from other sites to yours. As soon as you got a sufficient number of good ones (preferably from popular pages, the ones that the SE spiders already visit daily) the spiders will be all over your pages too.

    It's all they do: they find a link on some page, follow it to yours. Getting lots of nice links is VERY important In short: getting enough links is THE way to "submit" to the major search engines.

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