1st page of google is easy for Backhats

I searched for the most common search terms used for my market which is very competative.
There were six keywords with nine combinations I wanted to target.
I created a web of interlinked sites each targeted to a two word phrase and redirecting to one of my sites which is already banned by google.
These sites were uploaded on Thursday with one link from a site that is regulary crawled by goggle.
From Saturday (2 days) I have at least one site on the first page for all the searches I targeted, a couple are even number one.
They may drop as they get older but I can just do this time and time again without worrying about google penaties.
All the sites are very well blackhat optimised but as no one but google sees the content it does not matter how they look.
My traffic has gone through the roof.
I realise this will upset a lot of people but hey thats life.
Most of the blackhat techiques I learned here so thankyou.

Will only serve you well for so long, as blackhat in my opinion has a limited lifespan.

I started three years ago and most of my sites are still in good positions. If these last that long I will be happy. If not I will just create another set.

My google toolbar has just blocked the popup for your private message.
Please send again as I have now switched it off.

Google algos to stop blackhat technques are a myth. I have proved this over the last three years.
Google relies on their army of unoffical seo investigators to report blackhats.
The only site I have ever had banned was when I mentioned the url here.
Say no more it speaks for itself.

I have to agree with this post in some ways. I dont beleive they are myth I just think they do a bad job and sometimes turn a blind eye.

When I first started trying to make money on the net I cloaked. Setup up loads of sites about 18 months ago and not one has ever been banned. I dont do it anymore just incase I do get banned but these sites still pull me plenty of traffic, all related to what i am selling.

I've also been speaking to a friend who actually uses a very expensive cloaking script and he tells me lots of major companies use it and lots of SE's now about it they just dont care because all the cloaked content is related (i.e they dont have pages for widgets when there selling cars) to there site.

Dont disagree with the fact Blackhat is effective, especially in the short to medium term, and as Speedie has pointed out sometimes in the Longterm.

At the end of the day if people know its going to work and nothing can be done about it, then people are going to do it/

I agree its easy for many to fool Google (I'm not one of them who tries).

Here is just one example: The latest update shows a spammer occupying the #1 spot, plus 3 of the top 10 spots for my competitive two-word phrase ( I manufacture and sell "blue widgets"). He has 22 interlinked sites, many of them free websites, with pages full of keywords pointing to his main ecommerce site. He also has made blatant keyword filled entries with links into University (dot ORG) sites that allow postings.

Now, either Google can't, or does not want to stop this type of spam (I've submitted Google spam reports with no results). No wonder Google's founders have sold stock so soon after the Google IPO - they know their algo based on link popularity is doomed. I predict the new MSN search engine will be the clear leader in a matter of months as people realize Google results are manipulated by folks who have the time, money, and the nerve.

Build an honest, clean, content-filled site. Get some good backlinks, but you'll never get as many as the dedicated Google spammers. Look for your efforts to reward you in MSN and Yahoo, not Google. Google is a junk yard and will fail when the general public realizes they have better alternatives. Maybe its time to short sell Google and make a little money in the stock market.

Ed

There will always be black hat seo and it will always work to some extent, normally depending on how skilled and smart you are.
Your fooling a computer at the end of the day and thats not that hard.

I am of the white hat side of SEO but I do see the attraction of black hat methods.

Many black hat techniques work well for quite a while and a new domain and hosting with a new black hat technique is
perfectly acceptable cost wise considering the bennefits that the first black hat technique gave!

This is throw away style optimisation.

With regards to white hat SEO it is the best for long term with one domain name - say when you are dealing with a good name brand or looking to keep the URL but if you are just concearned with targeted traffic for a whle then black hat looks good.
I don't practice it because it is unethical but you can see why so many do!

Who decides what is ethical. Is it the SEO's Google or the general public.
I consider it ethical if someone searches for blue widgets and actually lands on a site that sells blue widgets.
I consider it unethical if they search for blue widgets and get.
Casinos
Morgage brokers
Sex sites or just another list of search results.

To be honest I agree with that...

That's it exactly. Don't confuse ethics and morality with SEO. I have never seen any version of the ten commandments that says "thou shalt not cloak". That is not to say that there aren't unethical people who will use methods to literally steal from other merchants. That is not only unethical, but a crime (spyware that hijacks user sessions for example).


Furthermore, spam reporting is for ninnies that can't work into a number 1 position for themselves. IF you happen to get them removed, 9 times out of ten they will simply be replaced by another spammer, in other words you won't move up anyway. I've also seen people who report spam be removed because it brings their sites into question. That just makes me giggle.

Gr8 - That's going on my list of all time favorites - simple, brilliant, true.