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Old April 18th, 2008, 11:08 AM
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Shutdown DMOZ

I vote for DMOZ to be shutdown and turned into a theme park, or at least hand it over to someone that would actually attempt to do a decent job. It appears DMOZ either is corrupt or incompetent.

I have submitted multiple sites, and have been meticulous about the rules, in fact for one of our sites (very professional B2B), we used what other people have been using for the title/description format.

We have a service that other sites have been listed in the DMOZ with, so we used the same concept for the title/description as they did. To this day, over a year later it is still not listed. None of them are listed in fact. But looking through the directory, there are other sites that fit our profile listed in there.

It is unfortunate Google puts so much weight on this directory seeing as getting listed in it is as difficult as becoming a contortionist overnight.

The Internet is flooded with people complaining about how hard (almost impossible) it is to get listed in DMOZ.
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Old April 18th, 2008, 11:18 AM
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You've had nothing but problems, I've had nothing but success with dmoz. One site of mine is listed 4 times in different catagories

and another one is listed twice.

third is only listed once but that's because it only fitted in one catagory

and I didn't do anything beyond make my site decent with good content and submit it in the right place. Nothing dodgy, nothing untowards...no corruption whatsoever...just have a decent site to begin with. Submitted and forgot about it then worked on other things to bring traffic in

Personally I have nothing against dmoz

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Old April 18th, 2008, 11:28 AM
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You've had nothing but problems, I've had nothing but success with dmoz. One site of mine is listed 4 times in different catagories

and another one is listed twice.

third is only listed once but that's because it only fitted in one catagory

and I didn't do anything beyond make my site decent with good content and submit it in the right place. Nothing dodgy, nothing untowards...no corruption whatsoever...just have a decent site to begin with. Submitted and forgot about it then worked on other things to bring traffic in

Personally I have nothing against dmoz


Your one of the few it seems, most likely the editor for your section does not compete with your site so they allowed it. I highly suspect the editors for the category I submitted into are competitors and they are being malicious.

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Old April 18th, 2008, 11:41 AM
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Personally I think all this talk of malicious editors is just rubbish.

I imagine there are possibly one or two who are self serving out of the thousand or so, the rest are decent hard working people just trying to make a better web.

My advice for getting listed in dmoz and I have found this is the easiest way of doing it.

Find the lowest most piddling catagory possible that applies to your site and submit there.

For example, if you are a Office supplies company in Pottstown PA do not submit to

http://www.dmoz.org/Shopping/Office_Products/

submit to

http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Pennsylvania/Localities/P/Pottstown/Business_and_Economy/

set your description to say something like "An Office supply company in Pottstown PA"


The smaller the catagory, the easier it is to get listed because:

1. The person who views your site will definately not be a competitor, they'll be someone looking for things of interest to the locals and a local business is of interest.

2. There is less competition in the catagory and you won't be offering the same services and products as everybody else in the catagory, therefore it is something new.

At the end of the day, a dmoz link is a dmoz link and most people thing too big

Use the noopd metatag if you're worried about your title making you seem perochial

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Old April 19th, 2008, 07:55 AM
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I vote for DMOZ to be shutdown
I vote for your site to be shut down. Where did you get the impression that DMOZ is there to list your sites. How much are you paying them for this service that you are expecting. As you appear unhappy with the service, can I suggest you ask for a refund.
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The Internet is flooded with people complaining about how hard (almost impossible) it is to get listed in DMOZ.
The only people I see complaining about DMOZ are webmasters who want a free listing service from DMOZ. DMOZ is not a listing service. The role of an editor is to build a category of sites. To do that, they use a range of sources to find sites to list. The pool of suggested sites is just one source (the worse source) that they use. Editors are not even under any obligation to use the pool of suggested sites or even look at them.

I think you need to clear up your total misunderstanding you have of what DMOZ is.
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Old April 19th, 2008, 07:58 AM
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Your one of the few it seems, most likely the editor for your section does not compete with your site so they allowed it.
~1000 sites a day get listed
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I highly suspect the editors for the category I submitted into are competitors and they are being malicious.
If that is the case then the editor will be removed. Please provide the evidence.

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Old April 19th, 2008, 08:44 AM
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~1000 sites a day get listedIf that is the case then the editor will be removed. Please provide the evidence.


There is no way of knowing for sure, but there is thousands of pages on the internet of people complaining about not being able to get into DMOZ.

I submitted our main site twice in the last 14 months, and our managed service site once in the last 6 months, I looked at our log files, and dmoz editors never visited our site at all. I followed every rule to the letter. I even looked at other people who are listed for the same businesses and products and services and modeled them.

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DMOZ is corrupt, and anyone that says otherwise is either an editor, or in league with them.

I have several sites that have not been listed for years. They are quality sites, not spammy adsense or anything. They are listed at the top of the search engines for our keywords.

Why would they not be accepted? Who knows. We are a leader in our industry. Anyone that researched us could find that out in a matter of moments.

Obviously the editor for our category is a competitor, incompetent, or waiting for a payoff. I've given up on this link.

Just work on your link building, you don't need DMOZ to make it to the top. DMOZ is a dying breed anyway. I would be highly surprised if anyone still talked about them in 5 years.

Focus your efforts elsewhere and you will be alot more productive.
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Old April 19th, 2008, 04:54 PM
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Obviously the editor for our category is a competitor, incompetent, or waiting for a payoff. I've given up on this link.
Please provide the evidence and that editor will be removed.

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Old April 19th, 2008, 04:59 PM
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There is no way of knowing for sure, but there is thousands of pages on the internet of people complaining about not being able to get into DMOZ.
You are missing my point! Why does DMOZ owe anyone a link? Its not a right to have a DMOZ listing. DMOZ is not there as a listing service for webmasters. All those complaining about DMOZ are complaining about a service that is not provided by DMOZ! Plenty of other sites provide listing services for webmasters. DMOZ does allow anyone to suggest sites that editors may or may nor consider for adding to a category if they choose to use the pool of suggested sites when working on a category.
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I submitted our main site twice in the last 14 months, and our managed service site once in the last 6 months, I looked at our log files, and dmoz editors never visited our site at all. I followed every rule to the letter. I even looked at other people who are listed for the same businesses and products and services and modeled them.
The most likely reason is that no volunteer editor has yet taken an interest in looking over the pool of suggested sites in the categories that you suggested your sites to.

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DMOZ is corrupt, .


If we equated your post according to SEO guidelines - you just suggested every SEO is a scam artist "because they are a SEO"...

I am an editor... thus that makes me the implied "DMOZ"... so please explain where you got your facts that make me corrupt?

...and if you have no facts that I'm corrupt; your vague accusations make you a liar.
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The Internet is flooded with people complaining


When you're well known - complaints are a fact of life (and business)... have a look.

http://www.google.com/Top/Home/Consumer_Information/Complaints/

Additionally, there are 70,000+ references for Anti-Google

... My point... they're all doing something right... right?

DMOZ is in good company.

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Please no more negative rep! I wouldn't know what to do with a tarnished SEO Chat record! /end sarcasm *What's especially funny is you defend everyone's right to an opinion, and then neg me for having my own. What a hypocrite.


Opinions... sure - but you called me corrupt - can I disagree with that?

or is it your position ...you can disagree with me... but if I disagree with you - "I'm the hypocrite"?

DanielR - You said "I'm corrupt" -- DMOZ is corrupt - not a specific editor, or group of editors, but a unilateral quote "dmoz"... me included...

Your claims are without any merit or facts... and I "DISAGREE".

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