Page 4 - Shutdown DMOZ

My biggest complain about DMOZ is that the submitter is not told when or why a site was turned down. A quick explaination would go a long way instead of being left wondering what is going on...

What category should you request to be an editor of if you wanted to do so?

My thought would be that maybe you should steer away from the category that you actually work in and perhaps edit a category that you have interest outside of work, so it seems less like a "Job".

If you review your logfiles you can see this in the referrals... something like:

http://editor.dmoz.org/category-to-where-you-submitted/?=chainsaw

Experience has told DMOZ that this just starts a flame war so its not worth it.

Hi all,

Hey guys, still new to the forum here, glad to be a part of the community.

There have been a lot of posts I'd like to quote to, but honestly that would take ages....

My opinion on Dmoz..

It is true that Dmoz does not owe anyone anything, however, if you are a editor of Dmoz, you should do your job and allow the submission of quality sites, otherwise... stop editing and allow those who do actually want to edit take on the job, since you are obviously lazy...

I'm going to have to agree with the fact that there are corrupt editors out there, just that fact that anyone could think of doing something like that, is more than a good enough reason to believe that it is being done. A "good" idea is more often already implemented than not. Obviously... there is no way to prove this FACT, but can anyone think of a better reason why QUALITY sites are not being listed?

A little honesty, i tried to apply as an editor myself and go ahead and list my website on Dmoz, it has not been working out so far and i don't really expect it to...

And it is a shame that Dmoz is being recognized as a top directory, because it's a bogus directory and i agree with the first post, which is that it should just be shutdown: it is obviously not up to date and so it does NOT provide accurate information, and what good is a directory that doesn't perform its main function!

What should be done IMO:
-Dmoz should sweep all idle editors
-Make it mandatory for editors to write reports on status of submission and if an editor chooses to not list a site, a report should be written with a full explanation.

So... in conclusion, we should just stop submitting to Dmoz, it's pointless.

-Robert

Its not pointless, I have had sites accepted in a few days, a few months, not at all and had sites added without ever submitting.

Dmoz is a step toward authority for Google, but it is a step which is neither necessary, or God Given.

there are other directories out there which hold a great amount of authority as well.

Submit it to DMOZ and forget it thats my opinion.

Besides, DMOZ is human edited, categorized, scrutinized and extensive. This is the model for any directory which possesses Authority.

If Dmoz started taking paid submissions then the "customer" would have more of a say of what they should/shouldnt do. However to this day DMOZ is a directory built mostly of website which the editors seek out them self, The Suggest a site feature is simply that, suggest a site.

Why should Dmoz Shut down? maybe Google shouldn't put so much weight on the listings... This is something DMOZ never asked for... This was Googles decision.


Submit and forget. There are bigger fish to fry than DMOZ

Hey,

Makes sense. Maybe we should be complaining to google about them putting such a high emphasis on Dmoz...

"Submit and forget. There are bigger fish to fry than Dmoz"
-Good quote

-Robert

You have a major fundamental misunderstanding of DMOZ!
The role of an editor is to build a category. It is not the role of an editor to review submissions. The role of the editor is to find sites to add to a category - to that end DMOZ allows anyone to suggest a site. The editor is under no obligation to even look at the suggestions (those most do). Editors use many many many different sources to find new sites. The suggested sites are just the worse source of quaity sites.If I volunteer at a soup kitchen one day a month, am I lazy if I do not volunteer 2 days a month? If an editor volunteers to add one site a month, are they lazy if they do not add two? They are still adding vaue to the project; they are not preventing anyone else for volunteering?I will type this bit really really slow, so hpefully you get it - PLEASE PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE ... or are you just repeating the urban myth that goes around the SEO forums.DMOZ adds almost 1000 sites a day, making it the fastest growing directory in the www. By your logic, all directories should be shut down as they will be less up-to-date that DMOZ.WHat will that achieve? How will that improve the project?You seem to be under the impression that DMOZ is some sort of listing service for webmasters. How will this suggestion improve the project? Status of submissions was provided in the past at RZ and was a dismal failure nad of no use to anyone

You assume alot:

Just because a category has an editor's username on the page doesn't mean that's the only category they edit...

As an example many senior editors have their username listed in lower categories they prefer - but as Meta and editing in every category they have well over a million edits... that isn't being "lazy".

Just because an editor is listed on a categoory doesn't mean you can't apply... rarely will you ever find a "lazy" editor...

The 'lazy' people tend to be the loudess complainers... you know the type - they want something for nothing? ...and it doesn't matter for what or why they haven't got it.

While I see genuine concern and/or interest in your post... speaking about a topic while being ignorant to that same topic doesn't make you knowledgeable about it; it only makes everyone else that isn't knowledge about the topic - misinformed.



... stopping there... you are going to agree with "what facts"....

Accusations aren't facts.

Ignorance to information aren't facts

If you have information about an editor that is abusing their privileges "those would be facts"...

What kind of organization do you work with? One that substantiates claims first or one that believe accusations don't need to be true so long as "I" get my way?

You can't agree with the facts of corrupt editors without knowing anything about their activties...



1. I'm in business making a living for myself... (if you don't need to make a living you can help me in the submarine sections - there are lots of quality domains waiting).

2. Lots of quality sites waiting... how many? 1 or 5 million? Surely you can appreciate free labor is cheap in monetary costs but packs a pretty high toll on time management... how much time should any editor afford for those 5 million domains?

There's two damn good reason why - "you're wrong"!



Best advice... grammar counts, following the guidelines [you got to read them though] but the #1 thing... "show passion"... the best category to edit in is a hobby of your, something NOT work related... Your knowledge and passion will be so apparent that if you're weak in other areas... you can learn that through cat checks.

If you apply just to get listed... you got the wrong motive and that can be read in your application.



If it was that easy... everyone should be shutdown.

The reason DMOZ is recognized is the same reaon Google is recognized, Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, etc... they do more good then harm.



Robert I can honestly say - YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT... DMOZ thought of those very things 10 years ago!

...after 4 months of inactivity the editor's login is defunct, every edit an editor does is recorded, and all edits must be fully substantiated.



Complaining about things you know nothing about is equally pointless.

We have no idea if Google give extra weighting to a DMOZ listing or not.

Google do a lot of testing and collect a lot of data. They would have tested the quality of the *global* or overal search results with and without giving an extra amounts of weight the sites that are listed in DMOZ -- they will know what effect it has.

If there testing shows that an extra weight improves the overall quality, then they will use that extra weight. If their testing shows it dosen't they they won't use it.

No amount of complaining about DMOZ from the whiners will change the results of Googles testing.

I beg to differ....

If enough people "whine", something will be done.

ATTN: cbp
On a personal note, it is clear to me now that you do not have a clear understanding of what you are talking about. Replying to your earlier post above, it is NOT the job of an editor to build a category. It IS the job for editors to review submissions. It is true that editors find websites on their own, however to say that they don't view the suggested sites is COMPLETELY false.

There are only allowed so many editors per category depending on the average amount of submissions made to that category. SO... if you are an editor and you are NOT editing, you ARE preventing others from becoming an editor because they cannot even sign up to edit in that category.

As far as providing evidence goes, how about YOU prove me wrong. Dmoz is at the discretion of the editors that work for it, and you are going to sit here and tell everyone that all these editors are some sort of perfect god sent angels that do no wrong? Please...

I made an opinionated statement and that fact that you are with no reason undermining my opinion (with bad grammer nonetheless) only shows that you don't have much to say.

What will sweeping all the idle editors achieve? Like i said above, Dmoz only allows for a certain number of editors for each category, if the editors are idle, this means none of the website are being reviewed.

-Robert

Yes, but the only people whining are webmasters who expect sme sort of service from DMOZ. I have NEVER seen a complaint from a DMOZ user.Every single editor will disagree with you on that one! Not one editor sees there job as being a reviewer of submissions. You need to go away and get your facts right.Wrong. There is no limit on the number of editorsWRONG.So in other words, you can not provide the evidence.WRONG.

Perhaps you need to go away and get some of your facts right and then come back and discuss this.