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I don't believe you. NO editor, let alome a senior one would have told anyone that.Maybe you need to become more familiar with DMOZ - you would know that this is NOT the case.DMOZ is not there to care for webmasters; it does not provide any sort of service to webmasters; DMOZ cares about the users of its database. Have you not noticed that the only people not complaining about DMOZ are the users of its database?Where are you getting your information from that DMOZ owes anyone a listing?You mean the masses of webmasters who have some sort of expectation that DMOZ will provide a service to them for free? I see no complaints from those who the editors are building DMOZ for.Constructive complaints are always listened to. Yours sorts of complaints have been going on for years and get ignored as you are complaining about a service that does not even exist at DMOZ!!

I posted the same time and did not see fathams post.

I did not realise that his site was not even listable.

So here we have someone resubmitting a site (against the guidelines they agreed to when they submitted) and submitting a site that is not even listable (against the guidelines they agreed to when they submitted) and they have the audacity to complain!!! don't figure!

Repeatedly resubmitting a non-listable site is a really good way to get a permanent ban from DMOZ.

I have no beef with Dmoz - longest I had to wait was about 3 months, shortest was <24 hours.

In the end though, it is only one link.

Fathom, I respected your posts and comments on this forum, however you make statements that are objectionable and hypothetical.


CBP, you need a life. Again, you defend what you don't know.
It's in your best interest not to make accusations on topics for which you know nothing.

I think this topic is dead. Let's do something constructive people.

I respect everyone on this board and will still precisely say what needs to be said.

What was objectable?

What was hypothetical?

I review you post history, found a domain that you said was yours (granted that was 3 years ago) and typed it into dmoz and it was red flagged as a Fraternal Mirror of the real company of similar name.

That's a real world example not a hypothetical one.

If I got the wrong domain name - post, PM or email the correct one and I'll help you out to at least appreciate 'a bonafide why?' ...rather than your current understanding of 'I don't have a clue so I'll just make stuff up about why I'm not listed' -- what's objectable about that?

Your case caught my eye because of "Would you believe that the site was listed for eight years" ... since NO ONE can delete a domain without cause it's easy to determine "if someone in dmoz was corrupt and removed you for no good reason... but a Fraternal Mirror is a reason for removal.

Why did you get eight years of listing if you shouldn't be listed... that's easy - some reviewing editor had a bad day and didn't review you domain thoroughly.

Course - I could be just wagging the dog and got thye wrong domain - but the story seems to fit well.

lol ! You accuse me of making acusations on topics for which I know nothing?? Who has been complaining about a lack service from DMOZ when DMOZ does not provide that service? Who has been deliberatly breaking the guidelines at DMOZ that you agreed to when you submitted? Who has been demonstrating that that clearly know very little about the topic they are talking about? I guess you have to say that. Who has dug a big hole for themselves?

Fathom, I sincerely thank you and you do deserve a pat on the back. If you can assist me, that would be appreciated because I know someone made an error. I will PM you, please acknowledge.

My previous comments apply.

After reading your lengthy pm I totally understand your mindset for dividing your original domain up into different websites - one for US, for CAN, and for EU... but this isn't needed to have a listing.

The problem that was originally over-looked when you were included in dmoz for 8 years was the fact the manufacturer of the products is the only manufacturer of the product you sell.

You website is an affiliated website and your business works in one of these models:

1. affiliate - any sale you help the real company make you get a percentage of the revenue - a finders fee or

2. dropship - you get an order from a customer and you order the product from the real company and they act as your warehouse.

3. franchise dealer - this model is reserved for storefronts - Ford has a Dealer 'MacDonalds Ford' in Halifax - Ford HQ is in Detroit.

Both #1 & #2 version are not listable in DMOZ.

Additionally, in case of #3 and regional listings... A regional listing is considered based on where your fulfillment locations are, not the virtual region you wish to target customers.

In this case your business would need to have a storefront or warehouse located in the US (some state and city) for a US regional listing, another storefront or warehouse located in Canada (some state and city) for a Canadian regional listing, a storefront or warehouse located in Europe (some state and city) for a European regional listing.

If these location existed - surely you would note them as assets on your websites.

In the real world the "virtual business" isn't located anyplace... it's merely a bunch of files and folders located on some hosting server that's located somewhere that you're not.

...and that is why you don't have a listed and won't every get one... but the brand name domain does have a listing; as it should.

Fathom, I agree with your post and thank you for the reply.

However, you mis-understood the nature of the request. Please see PM.

Thanks

Please don't pm for private discussions - private consultations cost a great deal of money... and you need to pay that in advance.

If it can't be said in public [for free] it can't be said.

When I asked for a pm it was only to confirmn the domain in question was the domain in your post history... and it was.

Your points: you are taking what I say [and likely what other senior editors have said previously] out of context to bolster your cause... you want a listing and will stretch the true a million miles if you can get a listing back.

The regional question is secondary - your domains are Fraternal Mirrors...

Each domain's content is largely the same as that located on the other regional domains and those are largely the same as that of the primary domain that is directly associated with the trademark...

If you own the primary domain and trademark - you ARE LISTED... and if you don't the only way you can be listable is with a physical address regionally different from the primary domain and with a site that is distinctly different.

Also [and most noteworthy] when I look up the other company and their primary domain's facilities are located at the "precise" same addresses as your domains... what gives?

Surely one is for promotional value only.

A review of your whois shows you don't wish anyone to know "your true locations"... likely your home address (what was there is 2006) is where your company really is.

Come on -- get with the program... I've invested alot of spare time in reviewing your domains (and theirs) and you aren't the real company.

Please don't insult my intelligence... you know that Mammoth Outlet is part of DDC Inc. which is C/o Mammoth Dog Beds of 60 Industrial Parkway, Cheektowaga, NY, 14227 (as described on your own site) and Mammoth Dog Beds is listed [thus you are as well noting C/o Mammoth Dog Beds

CASE CLOSED!

It's too bad that power corrupts. You still don't get it.

For someone who has many years in SEM, you disapiont me.

No-one is insulting your inteligence, just your common sense.

How much for a pm again?

I would appreciate any public info associated with my user name be kept private, I am sure you can respect that Fathom. Please edit your post, it's obvious you can't assist me at this time.

To all DMOZ whiners

Everytime when I see such a thread on "DMOZ Corruption" or things like that...it kinda makes me laugh.

I laugh because why on earth would one be pissed off and spread rumors about DMOZ when their site is not listed???

DMOZ doesn't take money for submissions and they are not obligated to any webmaster/ SEO for listing their sites. They have a set of rules and if they feel that a site is not meeting the rules...they have the right not to include it.

I have submitted several sites to DMOZ and have till date got only a couple of them approved, but that doesn't make me sad/angry. Getting listed in DMOZ lies at the sole discretion of the editors and if they feel that the site is not appropriate, they won't list it ...it's that simple.

IMHO, instead of whining over DMOZ listing, move on and get on with other things in SEO. For your information, there are far more important things in search marketing than getting a listing in DMOZ. Besides that, getting a listing in DMOZ won't help you rule the world. It will just provide a good quality link...if you don't get it from DMOZ, get it from any other authority website.

My take on DMOZ - Submit your website and forget about it - move on with other elements of SEO.

I am not advocating DMOZ, I have nothing against them nor have anything in favor of them

Good day folks!!

The problem is google puts a lot of weight on DMOZ, and the editors are typically corrupt.

They either won't submit a site because it is competitive, or they want money for them to accept the submition, or they tell you to add these xyz links to their sites before they will accept the submition.