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Old August 10th, 2009, 12:59 AM
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Everyone agrees that dealing with DMOZ the 'open' directory is a nightmare. But what alternatives are out there? Why hasnt anyone produced a better directory with a better editorial policy / method?
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Old August 10th, 2009, 01:29 AM
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Everyone agrees that dealing with DMOZ the 'open' directory is a nightmare.

Maybe you need to get some help! Why is it giving you nightmares? All you have to do is suggest your site once to the one best category. An editor may or may not choose to use your suggestion when looking for new sites to add to a category. I really fail to see how anyone can get nightmares from that process?
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DMOZ's method of "editorial policy" and processes has turned DMOZ into the fastest growing and largest directory on the web. No one has come remotely close to DMOZ's size and growth rate. Many have tried, but they all failed.

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Old August 10th, 2009, 02:15 AM
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Maybe you need to get some help! Why is it giving you nightmares? All you have to do is suggest your site once to the one best category. An editor may or may not choose to use your suggestion when looking for new sites to add to a category. I really fail to see how anyone can get nightmares from that process?

The nightmare is not is the difficulty or lack thereof in the process, but dealing with editor's subjective whims and recalcitrant attitudes. Too much power has been placed in the hands of a few, and this has lead to corruption creeping into the project as evident by recent scandals.
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DMOZ's method of "editorial policy" and processes has turned DMOZ into the fastest growing and largest directory on the web. No one has come remotely close to DMOZ's size and growth rate. Many have tried, but they all failed.

I doubt it was its editorial policy that lead to its success and growth. Probably more due to the fact that it was the first to market. When I suggest a better process, I mean one which is more crowd sourced or wiki based. Opening up of the editorial process would benefit DMOZ.
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The nightmare is not is the difficulty or lack thereof in the process, but dealing with editor's subjective whims and recalcitrant attitudes. Too much power has been placed in the hands of a few, and this has lead to corruption creeping into the project as evident by recent scandals.


I'm of the belief the only people that seem to have difficulty & whines are those with websites that shouldn't be listed.

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I doubt it was its editorial policy that lead to its success and growth. Probably more due to the fact that it was the first to market. When I suggest a better process, I mean one which is more crowd sourced or wiki based. Opening up of the editorial process would benefit DMOZ.


There are a billion other directories out there... why in the world don't you just go to Google, search and submit... why do you feel the need to obsess over a link you can't have when there are a billion others?

about 928,000,000 for directory.
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The nightmare is not is the difficulty or lack thereof in the process, but dealing with editor's subjective whims and recalcitrant attitudes. Too much power has been placed in the hands of a few, and this has lead to corruption creeping into the project as evident by recent scandals.

I doubt it was its editorial policy that lead to its success and growth. Probably more due to the fact that it was the first to market. When I suggest a better process, I mean one which is more crowd sourced or wiki based. Opening up of the editorial process would benefit DMOZ.


Well if too much power has been placed into the hands of a few, all you have to do is apply to be an editor and help out

And as for evident by recent scandals, there is always insinuations, statements and claims but very, very rarely, any documented evidence of abuse. Claims of abuse or corruption are always taken very seriously and should be reported here

Amazing how web masters like to complain about volunteer editors, who do this as a hobby. If you want guaranteed acceptance, there are many directories (paid and non-paid) to submit to.

It should be remembered that you are only suggesting a site and it may, or may not, be reviewed at some stage in the future. DMOZ is not a listing service.
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No need to look further than your post history to see corruption creeping into this message board.

Self promotion is not wanted nor tolerated here and yet the 1st thing you did was self-promote your own directory as if you are an honest member just helping out.

If that's your idea of honesty and trusting behavior... clearly you're the last person to be commenting on others.

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WHy does that give you nightmares. Its DMOZ's site - they can run it how they like. They not accountable to you and owe NO service to you
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Just shows how little you know about how DMOZ works. Don't you think you should understand this first before misrepresenting hwat you talking about.
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It will be spam central ... but, good luck with the project. Please let us know the URL.
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No need to look further than your post history to see corruption creeping into this message board.

Self promotion is not wanted nor tolerated here and yet the 1st thing you did was self-promote your own directory as if you are an honest member just helping out.

If that's your idea of honesty and trusting behavior... clearly you're the last person to be commenting on others.
lol! If that is indeed their directory, its a copy of DMOZ !!! but allows users to make additional entries. How many times have we seen this 'model' before? They all failed!

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I agree that DMOZ is a great idea and site, I think mainly due to spammers and con people they have taken the strategy they have. No comms and rejecting sites that don't meet their guidelines, it's their directory, they can do what they like and accept who they like.

I myself have had trouble getting a well reputed buisness listed on their site, but to be honest, in the grand scheme of things am I going to die in a ditch because DMOZ deleted us and wont relist? Well no, there are many more valuable links around so I think that the policy for a webmaster should be submit and forget about it.

Since then another site I've been working on got listed without a problem, took about 2 months but it's listed.

They aren't my favourite people in the world but I like what they are doing, and most of the time I think they are harsh because they need to be, they are doing it all for free!

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just to chime in here, I suspect that some "may" classify me as an old boy on this forum...here's my .02.

DMOZ I dont much like, from a personal biz viewpoint. we've almost 30 clients and only 11 are "in" DMOZ. all have been properly submitted and all of the ones that can't seem to be listed are regular canuck businesses....in their various channels...some doing more than $10m in revenues.

why? dunno. howcum? dunno. what'd I do? asked once to the various editors if they could re-consider....and only in 3 cases was that done and those clients added. the rest 'await' that reconsideration, I'd suppose. been years in most cases....

so, based only on my own evidence, I'd say that a DMOZ link is powerful to a lesser degree now than before...as those 'missing' clients all are ranking okay for their serps....and yes, I do know about the 'issue' of trying to figure out why a site ranks based on certain backlinks....

so, as I think I've always said about DMOZ, sub...then forget it. and move on....google does....and so should we all, IMHO!



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Interesting thoughts on Dmoz do you feel that way about all the other directories I would have to wonder

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