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Old September 12th, 2004, 02:21 PM
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Dmoz what is going on?

I recently asked for a site status at the resource-zone


An editor immediately linked to a post which was submitted on 04-17-2004 saying my site as ineligible. I have issues that I must point out.

1)The sight according to another dmoz editor was never reviewed in the first place.

2) Even though a site was not included does it not get another chance? I can’t even get a 2nd opinion from another editor?

3) How can an editor who manages Arts: Comics: Comic Strips and Panels: possibly know if my real estate financing site is unique and worth listing?


I know the dmoz editors or busy, and I applaud them for volunteering there efforts.

Most the categories I have submitted to may only have 10-20 entries. Would it be that hard for on of these editors to respond to the submission request? Instead of someone who manages the comic strip section saying the site is ineligible?
I would have to guess the couple of categories which I have submitted to, do not have editors. I would certainly volunteer to do this work but my dmoz experience has been so negative, I am not sure I want to even be associated with the dmoz.From my research I share the same experiences as many webmasters. If you scroll through the sites in my categories it is a joke these sites are listed. Many of the urls are dead or the sites blatantly do not meet the guidelines.

Were these sites included because they had a friend at dmoz?
What is going on at dmoz?

Why even go through the frustration of submitting?

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Old September 12th, 2004, 02:27 PM
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You must know that on this type of categories... editors receive big amounts of sites.... and a lot of crap, it makes it very hard to sort all this out.... many webmasters create satelite sites etc.... So be patient and try to make innovative sites

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1)The sight according to another dmoz editor was never reviewed in the first place.


This is not possible. ODP refuses sites only after a valuation.

Some sites require minutes of analysis, other sites require just a quick look, when it is obvious that they are not elegible for a listing.


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Even though a site was not included does it not get another chance?


Sure. If you change your site and if you make it compatible with ODP guidelines, you can ask a second valuation.

Asking another valuation for the same contents is useless: if a site is not elegible for a listing today, it will not be elegible tomorrow.


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How can an editor who manages Arts: Comics: Comic Strips and Panels: possibly know if my real estate financing site is unique and worth listing?


Editors that reply to status requests on resource-zone are not (in 99% of cases) the ones that have valuated your site.

Be sure that your site was refused by one or more editors with a business background.


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Most the categories I have submitted to


Does this mean that you submitted your site tu multiple categories? If so, it was against ODP guidelines.


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I would certainly volunteer to do this work but my dmoz experience has been so negative, I am not sure I want to even be associated with the dmoz.


ODP tries to accept new editors when they have a good understanding of what sites can be accepted and what sites should be refused.

From what you said, it seems that you dont' know very well how the valuation of sites work.


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If you scroll through the sites in my categories it is a joke these sites are listed. Many of the urls are dead or the sites blatantly do not meet the guidelines.


Just report them on this thread:

http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5453&goto=lastpost

If they do not meet the guidelins, they will be deleted.


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Why even go through the frustration of submitting?


I agree.

In my personal opinion, ODP should close the submission process. A good 85% of webmasters submit sites that don't meet guidelines and a good 90% of submission doesn't follow submission guidelines: almost nobody read the rules.

It would be better if editors add sites the old way: browsing the web and searching for good sites.

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Old September 12th, 2004, 05:20 PM
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Ditto what karma27 siad.

The sonner DMOZ turns off the <suggest a site> the better.

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Karma27 Or You A Editor?

It is good that you took the time to respond but you are stating information which you DO NOT KNOW.

How can you look this situation and possibly know what you are talking about?

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This is not possible. ODP refuses sites only after a valuation.

You think every editor follows the guidelines which have been set by DMOZ?

Sure. If you change your site and if you make it compatible with ODP guidelines, you can ask a second valuation.

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Asking another valuation for the same contents is useless: if a site is not eligible for a listing today, it will not be eligible tomorrow.

Boy that is enlightening statement.

Of course I made changes Come on man. The sad part is I had a couple editors say the site was fine as they saw it. They also said the site was sitting in a queue to be reviewed.

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Be sure that your site was refused by one or more editors with a business background.

Would you find sharing how to get this done?

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Does this mean that you submitted your site to multiple categories? If so, it was against ODP guidelines.


I submitted the site to one category than one year later to another category. Also, I have been told your site could be listed twice if the page was relevant. Here is directly from an editor’s mouth.

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Generally speaking, a business site is entitled for consideration in two categories: once in topical (by subject) and one in Regional (by physical location)."

They elaborated that a Regional listing required a "brick and mortar" location.

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From what you said, it seems that you don’t' know very well how the valuation of sites work.

Karma27, from here it appears you don't have a clue. Your answers are general and you don't know all the factors which have lead me here in the last two years.


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Old September 12th, 2004, 07:08 PM
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How can you look this situation and possibly know what you are talking about?


If you write a message on this forum, I suppose you will receive replies based just on what you wrote. Am I wrong?

Of course, I can't be more specific if you do not give details. So, I just replied to your questions (I even quoted them).


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You think every editor follows the guidelines which have been set by DMOZ?


No. Unfortunately, it's statistically improbable that all editors act correctly. But I would say that most editors act following guidelines.


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The sad part is I had a couple editors say the site was fine as they saw it. They also said the site was sitting in a queue to be reviewed.


But the final decision is up to the editor that reviews your site.


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Be sure that your site was refused by one or more editors with a business background.


Would you find sharing how to get this done?


Sure. Because real estate categories are edited exclusively by persons with deep experience on real estate web sites.

ODP metas would never assign a real estate category to a newbie and inexperienced editor. Be sure about that (that's why ODP would refuse an application from an editor that applies for a real estate related category).


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I submitted the site to one category than one year later to another category.


I was referring to multiple submissions to several categories. If the first submission was to a topical category and the second one to a regional category, then that's OK.



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Karma27, from here it appears you don't have a clue.


My answers were based on the informations you gave me in your first post and on my knowledge of ODP.

Since you believe I haven't a clue about ODP guidelines, I will not bother you further with my answers.

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Old September 12th, 2004, 08:48 PM
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mortgage-pro - are you talking about the site in your profile or another site? Can you post the URL? Can you post the URL of the thread at resource zone - maybe with all the facts we can give some better advice.

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