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Old November 28th, 2008, 03:33 AM
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Talking Dmoz Rant

I've been perusing through this section looking for any tips and hints people have picked up on dmoz submission. I've seen some good things but nothing i don't already know...

I need to get this off my chest. I F&&@#%$ing hate dmoz.

HOWEVER! There is a point where I must put my personal frustration aside and come to realize:

1) Maybe my content isn't entirely new! Just because there are a limited number of positions available per category doesn't mean I deserve one!

2) I trust that if they are denying some of my pages from their site, they are SURELY denying pages of less value which includes many of my competitors

3) It is their site, if THEY choose to be selective, corrupt, or any other accusation we read about ad nauseum THEN that is their choice! If the accusations are true, Google will give them less weight. For whatever reason Google, an incredibly amazing company (save for their lack of customer support but that's another rant) seems to find them trustworthy.

SO if you aren't getting picked up by dmoz and find yourself feeling resentful about it... write a rant, check your ego, and move on!

Happy thanksgiving everyone.

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Old November 28th, 2008, 04:44 AM
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Why not try to understand something before ranting about it!
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Just because there are a limited number of positions available per category doesn't mean I deserve one!
Wrong. Not True. Why did you make that up for?
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2) I trust that if they are denying some of my pages from their site, they are SURELY denying pages of less value which includes many of my competitors
Do you mean you submitted individual pages from your site? Why did you deliberately break the guidelines that you agreed to when you submitted. How do you think any directory should treat those who can not follow the guidelines?
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save for their lack of customer support but that's another rant
How much are you paying for this customer support that you are expecting? What sort of service does DMOZ owe you? Maybe you should ask for refund.

You have a serious misunderstanding of the purpose of DMOZ.

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Old November 28th, 2008, 11:35 AM
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Why not try to understand something before ranting about it!
Wrong. Not True. Why did you make that up for?Do you mean you submitted individual pages from your site? Why did you deliberately break the guidelines that you agreed to when you submitted. How do you think any directory should treat those who can not follow the guidelines?How much are you paying for this customer support that you are expecting? What sort of service does DMOZ owe you? Maybe you should ask for refund.

You have a serious misunderstanding of the purpose of DMOZ.


Was late when I wrote that so it was obviously poorly written and open to misinterpretation...

It is true that there are a limited number of spots in DMOZ, they just don't say it that way, they call it "over saturation". This means there IS a point where they stop taking people!

I followed the guidelines to a T, and by pages I meant sites, as I work on multiple sites - my error for not clarifying.

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"For whatever reason Google, an incredibly amazing company (save for their lack of customer support but that's another rant)"

Maybe you should read someone's post before being combative.I pay google for google services, and YES their customer support is limited if not nonexistent.

The moral of the story is that I find DMOZ incredibly difficult, but it doesn't matter what I think because it's not up to me.

So cbp I respect your opinion as a "power user" and regular on the forums here, but please keep your unwarranted hostility to yourself. Thanks bud.

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Old November 28th, 2008, 11:57 AM
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Old November 28th, 2008, 03:11 PM
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It is true that there are a limited number of spots in DMOZ, they just don't say it that way, they call it "over saturation". This means there IS a point where they stop taking people!
News to me, but I've only been there for seven years (and a meta editor for the last five)

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Old November 28th, 2008, 04:23 PM
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It is true that there are a limited number of spots in DMOZ, they just don't say it that way, they call it "over saturation". This means there IS a point where they stop taking people!
Thats absolute rubbish. You are making this up. Why would you do that for?
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Whats difficult? You submit once to the one best category and move on. There is nothing more you can do. An editor may or may not choose to use the pool of suggested sites when looking for sites to add to the category.
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I get hostile to anyone who makes things up. Why did you do that for?

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Old November 28th, 2008, 04:53 PM
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Thats absolute rubbish. You are making this up. Why would you do that for?Whats difficult? You submit once to the one best category and move on. There is nothing more you can do. An editor may or may not choose to use the pool of suggested sites when looking for sites to add to the category.I get hostile to anyone who makes things up. Why did you do that for?


"Do not submit URLs that contain only the same or similar content as other sites you may have listed in the directory. Sites with overlapping and repetitive content are not helpful to users of the directory."

Thanks Jimnoble, you were right, I misinterpreted the above quote as applying to all content, not just a single user.

CBP, I dont know WHY I DID THAT FOR! Perhaps I was mistaken. Get a life.

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Have you ever given any thought to why Dmoz is so highly valued?

Its because they are very picky about what goes into their directory. Perhaps you should have a look at your site which by your own admission has averagely unique content!
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Have you ever given any thought to why Dmoz is so highly valued?

Its because they are very picky about what goes into their directory. Perhaps you should have a look at your site which by your own admission has averagely unique content!


I'm revamping my site right now for that very reason.

Thanks for the honest (and non-confrontational) feedback!

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I'm revamping my site right now for that very reason.

Thanks for the honest (and non-confrontational) feedback!

lol it was my pleasure

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Old December 4th, 2008, 04:55 AM
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I share you sentiments Msevigny. The wait for acceptance is FOREVER. You will never know whether you did something wrong or the moderators just decided to reject your site.

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Old December 4th, 2008, 05:03 AM
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The wait for acceptance is FOREVER. You will never know whether you did something wrong or the moderators just decided to reject your site.
You seem confused. DMOZ is NOT there to provide a listing service for webmasters (which is what you seem to be expecting). Plenty of other directories provide that service. The role of a DMOZ editor is to find useful sites that have unique content to add value to a category. TO do that, they use many sources. The worst source of new sites is the submitted ones. Editors are under no obligation to use or even look at the submitted sites when trying to find sites. If you do not like the service that DMOZ provides, then ask them for a refund and see what happens.

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You seem confused. DMOZ is NOT there to provide a listing service for webmasters (which is what you seem to be expecting). Plenty of other directories provide that service. The role of a DMOZ editor is to find useful sites that have unique content to add value to a category. TO do that, they use many sources. The worst source of new sites is the submitted ones. Editors are under no obligation to use or even look at the submitted sites when trying to find sites. If you do not like the service that DMOZ provides, then ask them for a refund and see what happens.


Stop biting people's heads off, we are all here to learn and expand our understanding of SEO. If you have advice to give someone do it respectfully. Sarcasm not appreciated

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I can't see him biting anyone's head off, rather pointing out what so many refuse to believe, no matter how often it's pointed out.

As for that being sarcastic, it's about as mild a form of sarcasm as I can imagine, and certainly far less so than your original comment (yes, I did see that).
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