DMOZ editor very unprofessional

Anyone have a suggestion on how to handle an unprofessional response from an editor on the Resource-Zone?

Here's the text - how would you handle this? Are the editors "gods" and the buck stops with them?

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Hello,
I've had extremely difficult time change my site information:
http://www.vegasonesource.com
Located at:
http://dmoz.org/Society/Gay,_Lesbia..._States/Nevada/
Sections after category "Travel" do not appear to have an editor and checking the bottom of the pages indicate "Last Updated" dates 2002 and 2003. Are these categories no longer supported/edited?
I need to correct the following information:
Title: Gay Las Vegas
Description: Resources to gay Las vegas information such as Las Vegas gay bars, Las Vegas lesbian bars, gay pride shopping, hotels, shows, tours, dining, and more.
Can anyone advise or assist? I sincerely appreciate how truly busy you all are!
Thank you,
Mike Henderson
Email: MHNLV@VEGASONESOURCE.COM
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#2 06-28-2004, 09:50 PM
bobrat
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It's the old there is no editor and the category is dead problem - see http://resource-zone.com/forum/faq....p#faq_no_editor
Oh no quite the contrary, that category and your site is well taken care of, 12 submissions of yours have been processed so far this year. The multiple requests for change have all been denied. I think you would be wise to stop submitting.
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MHNLV
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OUCH! That was a rather sharp reply. I did not disrespect you.
I apologize that I submitted multiple time - part of the issue may be that end users are not notified if a submission was denied so we resubmit thinking it did not go through. I'm thoroughly confused - have I done something wrong or are not submitting through the right channels?

MHNLV,

I think if you read the submission guidelines you would understand why you got this reponse. But, the short of it is this...you are trying to stuff keywords in your description, which is DMOZ No No #1.

06-29-2004, 08:18 PM
hutcheson
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>end users are not notified if a submission was denied

Balderdash.

What shows on YOUR browser immediately after you submit a change URL request? Did it say, um, "404 page not found," or "SQL error" or "request failed try again later"? Or ... did it say "Submission Received; Your site submission has been received. An editor will review your submission for inclusion in the directory."

On this particular point, you're a member of a very large mutual mass disinformation society. And I wish we could figure out where you all come up with this stuff. If we knew who was starting that rumor, we would put a notice on that web page. "Ignore the delusional babbling at gormless-seo-twit.com because it doesn't conform to reality. As a result of this submittal, you will not receive word from heaven, a lead-edged invitation to the next Hollywood orgy. Carrier pigeons will not target your chimney. Terrorists will not park cars on your doorstep. Mysterious strangers on crowded buses will not slip notes into your coat pocket. Beautiful ODP editors in bikinis will not parachute into your yard. Your e-mailbox will continue to receive only viagra ads. All that happens is ... an editor will look at your submittal, and see whether it helps us find good sites to add to the directory. If it does, we'll add the sites. If it doesn't, we won't. Even then, partridges in pear trees, gravid geese, and all the other fascinating possibilities inherent in a post-medieval message delivery system will continue to not arrive at any reception point associated with you. 'Incommunicado' is our password, and the reply is silence."
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06-29-2004, 09:51 PM
MHNLV
Member Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 4

Astonishing responses

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I am AMAZED at the responses I am receiving! What in the world happened to civility? Does being an editor or administrator "entitle" one to arrogance, demeaning others, and blatant disrespect for people? I had read negatives reviews, but never judge something by what others say - only what I have firsthand experience with. Now I guess I know...
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06-29-2004, 10:45 PM
hutcheson
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Abusers don't usually hear from their victims. This forum tends to be an exception, and it can be quite a shock.
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#8 06-29-2004, 11:15 PM
MHNLV
Member Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by hutcheson
Abusers don't usually hear from their victims. This forum tends to be an exception, and it can be quite a shock.


Am I being accused of being an abuser?!?!?!? Where did this turn into a personal slander? I thought editors and such were supposed to be there to help make DMOZ and the Internet as a whole a better resource? You may well be homophobic or whatever your problem is, but you type of response is WHOLLY uncalled for and inappropriate!

Have you read the submission guidelines?

Have you read any of what you have posted?

DMOZ does not exist for your use alone. If you don't like the responses you have/have not received, then don't use it. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to submit to DMOZ. Everyone has had trouble getting a site included in the ODP. And throwing the "homophobe" line in the last one gave me a good chuckle.

Actually, the Renault 4CV catagory is actively looking for volunteers to organise this. Beautiful bikini clad editors should contact the VORD.

I'd agree it would be nice if there was more communication so submitters could see why stuff didn't happen - then the submitter would know what to do next time. Surely that would end up improving the directory? Zeal can do it so I don't know why DMOZ can't. I'd agree the response you got was unkind. I think the guy who responded was wound up. That's the kind of problem you get with poor communication.


[My opinions... not necessarily reflecting DMOZ policy etc....]

I just thought the title was a bit funny.

a dmoz- a site run completely by volunteers- is being "unprofessional." of course they are, it's a volunteer site- and resource zone is an even further extention of that. they don't need to take part in it.

If you take the trouble to read the Resource Zone FAQ, you won't get answers like that. Resource Zone took the trouble to answer common question in the FAQ, if you are too lazy to read them so be it.

If you violate the ODP submission guidelines, and submit your site multiple times you get answers like that. Since the submission guidelines warn about the dire consequnces of doing this, one would think people would avoid doing it. But since it's a free directory, who cares, lets make lots of work for the editors.

If you keyword stuff your descriptions, and violate the ODP editorial guidelines you get answers like that. And so on...

The bottom line - in case you missed it - is you have abused the submission guidlines - and run the risk of getting your site removed. Luckily we have a great sense of humour - not usually appreciated by anyone, and will probably ignore it.

Of course you could always go back to Resource Zone, and give that editor an answer, and see what happens.

hehe, true

Anyway dmoz it wouldnt harm 2 send an email saying received also. You give an email address....

Simple text based email saying thanks...

but thats not what i think was totally meant by it.

you have submitted, there should be two big like one off mailing lists:
1) Successful submission
2) Unsuccessful submission

If your site was added you should be sent an email saying it has been added. (mine never has so i dunno if this happens or not)

If your site wasnt, an email sent saying reason like not followed conditions and then guidelines underneath.
i.e. "Sorry your site did not match the guidelines criteria and you have not been added...."

Dan

p.s. Netscape does suck lolz I mean if you not added after a few or several months, you take it your site didnt match the guidelines, you then read guidelines again and make sure your site does match the criteria, and then resubmit, you then get your submission instantly deleted as you have resubmitted, dont you even get a 2nd chance? Obviously not! i understand they dont want you sending like 8 duplicated applications when you submit to waste their time sorting through, but da way dey work takes da piss. newayz, wot difference does your ranking make by being on dmoz?

I think maybe you should stop trying to submit too ;)

tbh, i personally aint bothered

Dan

you are obviously unhappy with the service from DMOZ - perhaps you should ask for a refund.



Why would DMOZ want to do that for? So the spammers can work out how to stay 'under the radar'?

If a site is SPAM, how is it going to make the guidelines of dmoz?

Dan

DMOZ is not a listing service for webmasters, so why would it want to provide these sorts of replies?

If spamers know the minute their site was not accepted, they could try again to fool or spam DMOZ - better they are kept in dark about being caught or not.

That is sad, being 'number1' directory in the web and even other directory use thier listing. Anyway how about usage of open directory to find something. I think only few people use it and it has only a link value!