Reverse seo :)

Hi i really can not understand why almost any seo do not log googles behavor through time.I say this cause i am reading threads from profesional seo's and never mentioned that g is in dance it started that day it ended that day, crawl rates are down etc. what is going on ?In my opinion to understand somenthing u must keep an eye on it and in this case is simple few linux scripts and u r ready u log everything you want.My system now its far more better than this i will describe u below,but it started like this.

1. backlinks every week
2.indexed pages every day
3.crawling rate every day(unique pages and total)
4.pr update every week

30(varius importance) sites are under my log system so i can spot even the delay of g normalize after dance.A lot of people saying that gdance is old term and is not apllicable,thats wrong the only difference is ,that cause of the mass expantion of sites g MAY group sites and make their evaluation(not sure about it).I really want to read ur opinion about it.I am not profesional seo meaning that my results are used only for my sites but i will be glad to cooperate with a profesional seo just for ideas exchange.

If u disagree that gdances are still in use challenge me i will provide more than enough evidence to believe it.

I find your post very confussing. I am not really sure of the point you are seeking to make.

As to 'google dance' the term was used to describe when google used to make major algo changes/updates infrequently. When these changes were made SERPs across the board used to change.

The term that is used now is 'everflux' this describes the constant smaller flow of changes in SERPs that happen. This see indivdual peoples sites moving in otherwise stable SERP results.

As to the rest of your post you seem to be simply saying you track changes in relation to your own sites. Good for you...

We spend zero time on the jobs that you list. Zero.

No need to challenge anyone... we pay no attention to that information. We are busy advancing the site.

The important thing to understand is the creation of content and how visitors engage it.

first ur post makes no sense. Second what it has 2 do with reverse seo. on one side u claim that u r not professional seo, on other side u ready to challenge anybody on this forum. u need 2 work on ur english buddy.

Yes indeed my english is terrible but thats has nothing to do with my ideas.Ideas has no language.

Now,either i didn't structured my thought in a good way or u are unable to understand what i am trying to say cause u have lack of knowledge.

The word reverse is descriptable as to the way that we try to understand google ranking factors.We are reversing its actions to come to the core design of google ranking system.I am building softwares.Thats my job.seo stuff are just part of my job(i am trying to automate things),thats why i am saying i am not a proffesional.I do not sell seo work.Its simple enough.The truth is that i do not envolve with my content(its naturally created) thats why i spend my time to understand the system and not be a part of it.In this way yes i am more proffesional in search engine optimazation than others in this forum.EGOLS response is funny and i really enjoy his humor...

we pay no attention to that information(egol)
nice seo job keep it up.Just build links and dont worry about their performance.In that way u will learn a lot
i really pay attention in any little unimportand detail,in fact i don't, my softwares do it for me ,and i am just reading mail alerts for changes.In this way i can plan my future actions.

The important thing to understand is the creation of content and how visitors engage it.(egol)
Thats a common truth like sun is shinning.Nothing new to it.This is applied in any media that interacts with humans.

I am not challenging anyone in this or any other forum.i try to keep it for my competitors .

Ok i will try to describe you what exactly i am trying to say.
I think that every webmaster use web analytics for his sites.Web analytics gives u power there is no doubt.Now imagine search engines behavor analytics that collects data from ur sites and competitors sites.Compare data and rankings relevance give u the oportunity to work in a higher level.What is the outcome of this ?

1.You instruct your link builders as to the way they must keep working for you .
2.Give the proper structure to your web application(site) in order to give exactly the content u want and in the order you want.
3.You dont let competitors develop in a field that u are not present.
4.Identify the future of ur rankings.
5.Avoid google filtering due to excesive seo efforts(looks spammy at g) by learning from ur mistakes.Identifying what exactly could filter ur site is not easy if you dont have data through time.

I can keep writting reasons but it seems pointless.
If you think that these are crap,ok you can ignore them.

Try to read all forum posts and i dont mean just this forum,you will see the same and same true but unimportant old knowledge for a seo posts. gazzahk made some interesting posts but thats a 0.001% of all forum posts

So can u tell me whats ur higher level strategy or i will still read replicated ideas and arrogance.


The next post will show the last 4 google dances

I value what you are trying to contribute with this perspective but i am struggeling to understand what your main points are. So are you saying?

a) People run analytics on their own sites but could be doing more to understand what is happeing with a SEs

b) You have written applicaions which can run analytics on competators sites

c) You have written applications that give you additional information on how google is viewing a site and the factors inovled in indexing it

d) That using these things allows you to achieve better SERPs


If what I think you are saying is correct I am certainly interested in hearing more about your methods...

Thanks for sharing..

Yes exactly except 'b'.Nobody will allow a competitor to run an application in their server.But you can collect external data for these sites and i can tell you that are enough to help.For example i can see through my web analytics that 100.000 pages of my site are the effective indexed results from 4.000.000 total indexed pages,having data from my search engine analytics i can identify the crawl rate,pr,first time crawled even keyword density in relevance with similar content in my site for these pages which is extremely usefull,and we can go further by implement a system to our site and give internal links to our desired content based in keywords page rank and crawl rate.You want more?we can set low priority to content that is wasting googles and server resources and has nothing to give us.Its somenthing like advanced googles webmaster tools but is urs and u can conect it with ur sites(that are basicaly web applications).Moreover i am not the only one who does these things seomoz for example have implement far better tools.In my case i have a lot of sites varying from 100 to 100.000 visits per day so i can have a wider experience of search engine behavor.Today i will double post with images from web analytics to show you the relevance of elements i ve got during googledance periods.

When a google dance its on i am seeing a lot of mainly new webmasters in forums telling that pr update is now and 15 days later again massive pr inquiries.These are jokes someday we must stop exchanging replicated ideas and do more to understand the facts,the way to do that is data manipulation which in the end is the nature of internet buiseness.

I do not spend time in forums,but the last 3 months i tried to explore other peoples ideas.In my research i found some interesting posts but i never found things like freshness of crawled content which is a 80% factor.Try search

knowing torrent

You will see that a factor of ranking is cachedate.not 100% and bad period to make this investigation cause we are at the last days of googledance,but anyway you will see that its a big factor.Based on my research this factor is strongest in replicated content and weaker in original(in the degree that this is possible) content.I just write about simple examples that can not be done by hand cause its time consuming thats why we create applications to inform us about repeated patterns.Google ranking system is an application and the only way to understand it is software logic.

I can keep writting examples and ideas but this is not my intention .I really want to exchange experience,which is more difficult than i thought due to ignorance and lack of imagination.

Anyway gazzahk whats ur field(what kind of sites do u run)?

Example 1






In this case its obvious the filtering thats applied after point A which is googledance starting point and until today did not come to end.Crawl rate is down,old content is no served by google,indexing pages are decreasing,
pr's are messed up and traffic is almost in suicide level
This is happened due to excesive link building it will come to normal and propably in better rankings.This is an answer to people inquiring if excesive link building can have negative effect.

crawl rate :




Example 2




Same concept again excesive link building efforts,googledance period between a and b period followed by low crawl rate etc.

As u can see after google dance the site was back to its normal status.

Example 3



Google dance period again but no abnormal behavor cause link building efforts was not present for that site that period.
Ofcourse crawl rate and all the others was identical to other gd periods but in this case google doesn't have to filter u or reevaluate your pages cause everflux did that in a smooth way during the previus months( i can not go deeper to this matter cause its another case alone).

Example 4



This is perfect example of seo efforts.again gd period between a and b points etc.
Link building was in perfect analogy and the results are clear.
A point must be at the start of june i did a mistake at gimp excuse me.

I have more examples but i believe there is no need to include them.

Inspired by the analysis of these data i was started to implement an application that can identify varius elements through time i add functions debug it and try to make it better.
This is SEO.Reading posts replys like eggol and himanshu160 i was diapointed cause they didn't understand neither tried to do so.Evidence of ignorance.
Human brain its like parasute.It only works when it is open.

tera7 what is the point that you are trying to make. How does this information enable a person to improve their SERPs?

Please explain.

Ok lets assume that u have a set of keywords that you believe or you have proved that a lot of people are searching it and you want them .

The tradional way is like this:
1.Include content that coresponds to the set.
2.Create relavent powerfull outbound links.
3.Give internal structure to help the content in question through ur site "energy" which in most cases are index and categories pages.

Nice this can be done manually if u run a blog,u create ur own content etc. .But thats not a case of buiseness its like a half buiseness half hobby(do you imagine fox owner broadcasting news? ).Ofcourse in this case its irrational to use applications data analysis etc. its like using an airoplane to go to your work 15 kilometers from ur house.

The real seo challenge is when u create a platform(ur site) users interact with it and create content in a massive way that you can not control it OR you are crawling massive content.
So you need solutions to overcome competition.
The problem of similar content,identification of keyword that are thousands and in some cases millions and the way of giving it to search engines is huge.You must be better and faster from ur competitors,some of them may be older and far more advanced than ur site is,some of them are using blackhat methods etc.

In my case now to show an example.When keywords are identified relevant links(external) are created from my system to ensure that i cover this factor.The site gives priority to content that coresponds to my desired set of keywords.And of course content is created if not existed.
Also i know from my data that specific content is ranking good at google,i will instruct my site to avoid loosing contact with that content cause my ranks will fall in time and i dont want this to happen.
Google also states ,and u can see it(recomended search terms at the bottom),that makes groups of keywords in logical context.Having detailed data of your system can help you point ur link builders create the generic keyword enviroment that you need or you want to expand and in some cases a small addition to ur site may be necessary.
If you investgate ur comptitors sites u will see that some of them are going very well(possitve growth) and some of them are loosing ground(negative growth).There are specific reasons that this is happening and you must identify it in time if some of them occurs at ur site.This definetely will help serp's .Its impossible to do it if you have lack of informations.I remember me and my partner trying to remember what was going on 6 months before,in backlinking analogy of our sites and competitors sites thats a one second job today.It may seems unimportant as it stands alone but in a massive scale its extremely helpful.

I can understand that the problem its not my thoughts or your thoughts but the business model we are engaged to.

My db is huge.So the keywords that i am able to compete are at least thousands.I can say that a keyword sending me 20 users per day its a victory cause i have thousands of that.
Keywords that sends me 1000 users per day are less than 10.

I can understand how the information i have can help me rank better dont you?

Summary:
Controling your data, the actions and reactions of them in relation with search engines enables u to understand ur limits ur perspective and give ur energy in the most important aspects that ur site needs.Simple.

Of course i can give examples of specific content and how is that ranked better through the informations gathered in time.But i do not believe that u expect someone to do this in a forum.And if u really know a post that someones specifies his strategy i will be more than happy to read it.
I really dont know how to explain it better.When i started to create this application the very first week i saw that googles crawls more than once the same pages the same day i had 70% unique crawled content that means for every 100 requests 30 had no reason to be done.Thats wrong i tried and trasformed my sites structure and now is 99.5% unique crawling.Another small example.If you make list of small examples u will see a big difference.

So are you saying that to do well an SEO needs to identify viable keywords, create content for these keywords, build links to the content and then monitor the results?

Yes but monitoring and identify the reasons of results it can not be done by just looking ur visitors growth.Its like cars.At the past decades car engineers made their conclusion by experience now they plug ur car to a computer and gather data from internal log of your car.Also i can not understand how people living from internet refuses the usability of such logging systems its like telling me advanced web analytics are useless.Except if i am talking to natural born seo's with supernatural abilities.

Anyway if someone cant see the prespective of this,then he propably do not need it.Massive nature of internet need massive solutions.

OK, so you are saying that what makes you different to other SEOs is that you look at your analytics data more closely and that you draw conclusions from all the data instead of just visitor volumes?

I think you have made a mountain out of a mole heap with your posts. Time is of the essence in business. You need to cut to the facts or people will not listen to you. Thanks for trying though.

read every word here...but did NOT follow the OP and his points. nor I suspect will I ever....and I dont' think I'm alone here either....

:-|

Jim

Ok you need a point.The point is that seo's in most cases, and
particularly those that are giving advices in forums, are judging by incomplete knowledge giving false advices.examples:

google penalized your site cause u have bad backlinks - 100% false.

There is not such thing as googledance nowdays. - 100% false

Unnatural links will not help ur site - 100% false

and lots of this and that from people that are not aware of critical points,like googles evaluation period(google dance).

As you can read my first post was about google dances and i believe that i showed some evidence.



And at last u say that i do not have a point to my posts.Ok where is your point to ur replys.
Where is the evidence of the opposite?It would be great for me to discover new interesting things.



100% true my men.But also people will not listen if they dont want to.I should expect that forums are not an apropriate place to share experience.That was my mistake.I am deeply disappointed by the fact that there wasn't one reply about my first question.

q: Why seo's are not aware of googles evaluation period?

a:Cause they dont know anything.They assume.And their assumptions are answers to newbies.

I am laughing when i read posts about natural links.Did they ever thought that articles,directory submisions etc. are not natural links and googles knows it.
Unique content myth.70% of top visited sites are crawling their content.


Anyway keep engaging in a myth created by the seo industry.Its like any other myth that leads the lifes of people.