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Old March 27th, 2008, 02:15 PM
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Only three Keywords at 33% density?

I came here to post about something I'm seeing on a competitor's site. I think it has something to do with the robot text file. Let me know what you think:

The three keywords for our sector are (this is an example): boston wood door.

The competitor's site is, boston wood door dot com (no spaces), and ranks at #1 on Google.


The Spider Simulator reports that the meta description and meta keyword fields are empty (but on the Doc page these fields are complete):

Spidered Internal Links: 1
No Anchor Text
1 Total

Spidered External Links: 0
Link's URL Link's anchor text
0 Total

ERROR!

* No description data found
* No keywords data found

When I run the Keyword Density analyzer on boston wood door, this is what returns:

Term Count Density
boston wood door 2 33.33%
wooden 1 16.67%
wood door 1 16.67%
boston wooden door 1 16.67%
best wooden door 1 16.67%

Okay,

The results for Keyword Cloud are

Term Count Density
door 1 33.33%
boston 1 33.33%
wood 1 33.33%


I'm guessing there is a robot text file in place to limit the spidering of the site in order to boost keyword density/site rank? Am I off-base or guessing right.

And, Is this cool with Google?

Those keyword percentages look high. Is an uneven playing field being created?

Thank you.

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Old March 27th, 2008, 02:20 PM
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Totally irrelevant.


Hmm...,

Okay, I'm new here and don't want to stop a conversation before it starts.

I think Fathom is saying a robot text file is not limiting the spidering of the competitors of the site, so I guess I would like to know...

Why don't we see more words showing in the Keyword Cloud for a 99 page site?

Why does the Spider Simulator say the Description and Keyword meta tags are empty when I can see on the site that they are filled-in?

Does having the keywords at 33% density impact Google page rank?

Any help to point me in the right direction is appreciated.

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If - for any good reason - a webpage only has three words on it, then consequently the density will be 33% for each of those words. Why would it be any better if the page had 17 stopper words to lower the percentage to the so-called ideal number "5" ?

Humans won't like it any better like that, and search engine bots won't either.
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Cloaking/Javascript

Okay, it's not robot text file. The boston wood door site uses a javascript redirect page featuring a Flash movie and the title "Boston Wood Door."

According to Google: "When the Googlebot indexes a page containing Javascript, it will index that page but it cannot follow or index any links hidden in the Javascript itself. Use of Javascript is an entirely legitimate web practice. However, use of Javascript with the intent to deceive search engines is not."

So, Googlebot only sees the title, "Boston Wood Door" and notes the high keyword relevance (33% for each term) and can't follow the link to the site's other 99 pages.

Along those lines, it violates the webmaster guidelines to embed a link in Javascript that redirects the user to a different page with the intent to show the user a different page than the search engine sees. When a redirect link is embedded in Javascript, the search engine indexes the original page rather than following the link, whereas users are taken to the redirect target.

From what I see, Boston Wood Door is walking a fine line of Cloaking/Javascript redirect to boost the keyword density.

Thoughts?

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I can't check it. The site you mention seems to be offline and I can't find it on the results page. In fact I can't find it in Google anywhere.

It also depends on how different the pages are, really.

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Dzine, I'm super sorry I wasn't more clear.

I was using "Boston Wood Door" as an example. I didn't feel it was good form to post the real site address. I'm new to SEO and wasn't sure of the community norms.

In no way did I mean to waste your time.

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Okay, it's not robot text file. The boston wood door site uses a javascript redirect page featuring a Flash movie and the title "Boston Wood Door."

According to Google: "When the Googlebot indexes a page containing Javascript, it will index that page but it cannot follow or index any links hidden in the Javascript itself. Use of Javascript is an entirely legitimate web practice. However, use of Javascript with the intent to deceive search engines is not."

So, Googlebot only sees the title, "Boston Wood Door" and notes the high keyword relevance (33% for each term) and can't follow the link to the site's other 99 pages.

Along those lines, it violates the webmaster guidelines to embed a link in Javascript that redirects the user to a different page with the intent to show the user a different page than the search engine sees. When a redirect link is embedded in Javascript, the search engine indexes the original page rather than following the link, whereas users are taken to the redirect target.

From what I see, Boston Wood Door is walking a fine line of Cloaking/Javascript redirect to boost the keyword density.

Thoughts?


The "robots.txt file" is used to disallow bots and crawlwe from indexing... it has nothing to do with page content; thus nothing to do with keyword density.

Keyword density is also irrelevant... whether you have a density of 0% to 100% makes little difference - off-page factors drives ranks... the only 'on-page factor' that really has any need for concern is Title Element -- <title></title> thus - a Flash movie or some element in Javascript isn't really a main concern either...

Google statements about the use of Javascript doesn't apply in your case of interest... the boston wood door website ranks because of the domain name and links to the domain using "boston wood door"... and a little help from the title element... adding the phrase isn't really that difficult to rank for.

Lastly - don't review you competitors website in an attempt to learn how to rank #1... you'll just lose your way because you really don't have a clue what you are looking at [for].

To get top ranks
1. acuire links using the exact phrase you wish to rank for.

2. Make title element and page title the exact phrase you wish to rank for.

3. make internal navigation link the exact phrase you wish to rank for.

4. ignore everything else

5. ignore your competitors

...it'll happen far more quickly than pretending you know how to analysis and reverse engineer your competitor's tactics... for your domain.

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Fathom, thank you for the valuable input. The strategy you've outlined is great. Thanks.

Yes, I could lose my way if I focus on my competitor and what I don't currently understand. I'll watch that. Admittedly, I don't have a clue. But, I do have to say that looking at my competitor did begin the process of getting clued-in.

Looking at my competitor over the last week has taught me two things, both things you confirmed:

A keyword-rich domain is good.
Keyword-rich links are good.

So, as evaluate my own strategy I may consider a new domain name that features keywords and have our incoming links updated to reflect the new keyword-rich domain. The company has grown and it would be a good time to re-brand.

We have been working towards a re-launch of our site, adding original content of use to folks interested in the pros/cons of a Boston Wood Door, adding PDF Brochure for Download, and a Blog/News section.

I appreciate your help.

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So, as evaluate my own strategy I may consider a new domain name


...I wouldn't worry about about a new domain name... yes it helps but the domain name isn't going to help without the links and if you got the links... you don't need the domain name.

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keyword rich links

What is a keyword rich link? What does that mean?

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What is a keyword rich link? What does that mean?


The link "anchor" uses ONLY your chosen keyword phrase e.g. keyword phrase here

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