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Old June 21st, 2007, 04:06 PM
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Ok quick overview:
toolbar page rank is NOT the page rank Google uses in its many factors to rank your site. ONLY Google knows the REAL Page Rank.

IGNORE the green bar, uninstall it or disable the feature. It doesnt matter.

Focus on getting quality links, which means:
links from content of sites in your respective industry
links from well indexed and well ranked websites
keyword links whenever possible
links to inner pages not just home page of your site
links to your newest content
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I believe he is saying that the toolbar is not a good indicator of PR. That number and quality (not quality measured by the toolbar) of backlinks + content is the better indicator of real PR.

Ignore the toolbar, focus on backlinks & content. Thats my reading of it.

Hi thanks .But I feel disjreet have some point correct and justified but some are injustified. I dont agree totally to his views!!
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Hi thanks .But I feel disjreet have some point correct and justified but some are injustified. I dont agree totally to his views!!
If you're going to make a statement like that the least you can do is to explain which "points" you consider to be "injustified" and what views you don't agree with.

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Please refer following URL. I hope it will elaborate the Page Rank concept a bit more!!
http://www.sitepronews.com/archives/2007/jun/20.html
With respect, I don't see anything in this article which throws any light at all on the situation; the author has merely given his opinion of the "meaning" of various PR levels. He has failed to mention that there are differing scales for certain industries (eg: adult) to which his "scale" wouldn't apply, and that the toolbar PR is based on historical data. Worst of all imho - he hasn't mentioned the fact that some links might increase your PR whilst adding nothing to your serps performance.
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Hi thanks .But I feel disjreet have some point correct and justified but some are injustified. I dont agree totally to his views!!


Thanks for your comment, you have contributed absolutely nothing to the discussion.


Visible PageRank is also in indicator of spider visit frequency. Use to you? Zero. AGAIN, you don't need PR metrics to tell you about robot frequency, you can just look in your logs. It's like checking the immediate weather by reading the newspaper instead of looking out the window.
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Making such definitive statements as the OP is, in my opinion, overzealous. Let's face it, no one outside of google knows for sure how PR works, or how close the PR toolbar is to the real value (outside of time delay that is). Speculation that the toolbar PR is inaccurate and a useless measure of a site is just that, speculation. The only way we will ever know is if google steps up, stops playing games, and tells us the rules. Until that time the rest of us are just spectators trying to figure out the rules to the game by seeing distant glimpses of play. It's all conjecture at best.

The best advice I've seen is don't ignore PR, but don't obsess with it. Promote your site and build links from other relevant sites, concentrate on high PR sites first and move on to the lower PR sites once you run out of high PR sites with related content.
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Making such definitive statements as the OP is, in my opinion, overzealous. Let's face it, no one outside of google knows for sure how PR works, or how close the PR toolbar is to the real value (outside of time delay that is).


Do you think that Google operates on a 1-10 scale? There not even describing the same thing.

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Speculation that the toolbar PR is inaccurate and a useless measure of a site is just that, speculation. The only way we will ever know is if google steps up, stops playing games, and tells us the rules.


They have clearly stated rules and have also come out and said people should not use visible PR as an indicator of web rank. They also prefer to remove it but too many people like you would scream.

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Until that time the rest of us are just spectators trying to figure out the rules to the game by seeing distant glimpses of play. It's all conjecture at best.

The best advice I've seen is don't ignore PR, but don't obsess with it. Promote your site and build links from other relevant sites, concentrate on high PR sites first and move on to the lower PR sites once you run out of high PR sites with related content.


I don't know of any highly successful website that follows your reasoning. PR NEVER dictates my linking schemes unless a client demands PR links. I 'm ALWAYS personally linking out to websites that have lasting value to visitors. Since when does PR value dictate value of content?

You can certainly ignore PR. The only thing it tells you is approx. how many links are incoming and how often the site gets spidered.
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PR NEVER dictates my linking schemes unless a client demands PR links. I 'm ALWAYS personally linking out to websites that have lasting value to visitors. Since when does PR value dictate value of content?
lol.. thats the problem with dispelling a myth. People still beleive it no matter what evidence is offered.

One of my favorite quotes "If a million people believe a foolish thing...its still a foolish thing..." I like all these people who are out there chasing PR... because they will never be serious competators to those of us chasing serps.

Good advice you have given DJ I am sure some people will listen Others will chase PR.....
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Old June 25th, 2007, 10:58 AM
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you can hug me but it will cost, let's say, 300/hr. You're right gaz, i couldn't care less about pr chasers, they have crappy sites anyways--YEs!
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My point is that you can`t trust anything google says publicly, especially when it comes to how they rate websites. PR could be 100% crap. Google's claim that we shouldn't look at it could also be 100% crap and no more then a diversion. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. So, as I said, you shouldn't obsess over it, but you shouldn't ignore it completely.

As for submitting based on PR I'm not suggesting that you should chase PR. There are, however, cases where it is a useful tool. For example, I have a huge list of relevant sites, along with their PR, that I am submitting one of my sites to. They are all equally relevant in terms of content, so it just makes sense to prioritize on PR. Perhaps there is no benefit, but there is absolutely no harm in doing so. Eventually every site will be submitted to, the higher PR ones will simply be done earlier
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Gr8! But it always worries every one regarding pr of their website. So they keep on asking. Keep on educating seo masters like this.
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My point is that you can`t trust anything google says publicly, especially when it comes to how they rate websites. PR could be 100% crap. Google's claim that we shouldn't look at it could also be 100% crap and no more then a diversion. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. So, as I said, you shouldn't obsess over it, but you shouldn't ignore it completely.

As for submitting based on PR I'm not suggesting that you should chase PR. There are, however, cases where it is a useful tool. For example, I have a huge list of relevant sites, along with their PR, that I am submitting one of my sites to. They are all equally relevant in terms of content, so it just makes sense to prioritize on PR. Perhaps there is no benefit, but there is absolutely no harm in doing so. Eventually every site will be submitted to, the higher PR ones will simply be done earlier


Google is not out to screw over the web, it doesn't profit them to all of sudden have the worst results on the web. It is therefore in their interests to inform the webmasters and now screw them over. I can note from my OWN observations that PR can be ignored, Google merely confirmed these observations. I too organize on occasion based on PR values, but you know what, rarely do I approach link building like that anymore.

For the last time, prioritize based on content.

Actually, you have a good point. Although going by content means you probably have a higher value web site, Google still rewards the higher value PR link than the lower one (but here I am again confusing the semantic value of the word PageRank).
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Alot of webmasters and 'SEOs' alike ask tons of questions about why their PR has dropped, how they can increase it, etc., etc.

I'm here to set the record straight. Google PR IS a major part of your rankings. HOWEVER, the way everyone here uses the term (99% of the time) is in reference to the VISIBLE Google PR value found in their toolbar. This is a POOR measure of PR folks and should not be used in ANY discussion about rankings or loss.

What we know: Google Visible Green Toolbar is updated quarterly. The information in the toolbar is not only old, but it's only snapshot of the overall health of a web site. Basically it's a loose indicator of the value of the incoming links to that particular web site.

But even then it's inaccurate. You do'nt want to even base links (those you acquire) solely on this value. Case in point. I have a web site, 60 Yahoo! back links recorded, more in Webmasters. There are nothing but junky (but related) links. The links are PR3 or less (ALL OF THEM), HOWEVER, what we see is a PR 5 for the web site that is slightly more than a year. WHY?

TWO links from a subdomain from CNN. That's it. PR 5. Visible PR overvalued? Probably, but nonetheless, an example of how basing any web marketing decisions on visible google PR is flawed. This solidifies the case of RELEVANT and AUTHORITY incoming links, NOT LINKS BASED ON PR.

Never should you ask the question about HOW to increase PR. That's the wrong question. That's like asking how far a car can fly. You want to ask, "what's causing my slow rankings or loss? Can I get more links? Should I be investing in more cool content?"

DO NOT ASK, 'should I increase PR'? PR is a result of those two items I mentioned above. You cannot directly influence the stupid green toolbar value! You CAN influence the links you get and the content you provide. whew.


This obviously is the ultimate answer to my previiously unending PR question. But I've got another question. I dont care if it sounds stupid. How do I get good backlinks. How did you get those CNN backlinks. I would have paid for backlinks but I heard google frowns at such practices. I need more enlightenment please. I dont mind if I am refered to previous topics.
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How to link build in Google


It all centers around great unique content and promoting that content to the right market. It's much harder than people let on.
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