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Old September 18th, 2009, 04:55 AM
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Bets thing is to build links artifically without buying them


But how long would that take me...building the site and adding content takes every moment I have to spare.

The whole pagerank business is clearly flawed if it's become a measure of how much effort you're willing to put into artificially building backlinks.

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What do you mean by "artificially"?

(I said buy advertising (traffic) not links).
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But how long would that take me...building the site and adding content takes every moment I have to spare.

The whole pagerank business is clearly flawed if it's become a measure of how much effort you're willing to put into artificially building backlinks.

What?

I suggest you re think your approach to this as you are clearly missing the point.

First, PR shouldn't be your end goal.

Second, it is the case that the more work you put in the more you get back. What did you think would be the case? There is no magic here, effort = results.

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Old September 18th, 2009, 07:11 AM
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I mean do things yourself to get links without buying them, ie not bought but not earned by your onsight content.

*Intelligent blog posting.
*Article writing and distribution.
*Good forum posts on a variety of the right forums.
*Decent use of PR.
*A little recipricoal linking in your direct niche.
*Add a little directory sumission to that,

That can get you noticed for your content then to kick in.

Paying for traffic seems an expensive and uncertain way to get the ball rolling.

As a side matter that also creates a great cloak for one or two bought links if you fancy that kinda stuff.


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What do you mean by "artificially"?

(I said buy advertising (traffic) not links).

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I mean do things yourself to get links without buying them, ie not bought but not earned by your onsight content.

*Intelligent blog posting.
*Article writing and distribution.
*Good forum posts on a variety of the right forums.
*Decent use of PR.
*A little recipricoal linking in your direct niche.
*Add a little directory sumission to that,

That can get you noticed for your content then to kick in.

Paying for traffic seems an expensive and uncertain way to get the ball rolling.

As a side matter that also creates a great cloak for one or two bought links if you fancy that kinda stuff.
Ahh right..
And I agree - of course.
My advice was based on the fact that he said "I simply don't have time to go around asking for backlinks. I'm too busy producing content." (by which I assumed he also wouldn't have time to go posting on blogs or social bookmarking etc etc).

If you really don't have time to go build backlinks, the only way is to get the traffic (fastest/easiest route is to buy it) and hope that it results in "natural links". (You could pay somebody else to build your links of course, but - for good results - that's likely to be expensive).

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I am agree with bradtech I think no need to many back link for getting High PR of sites.

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But how long would that take me...building the site and adding content takes every moment I have to spare.
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"When the fear of staying the same, outweighs the fear of change, you will make a change."


I work 24 hours it seems. I wake in the middle of the night, and check emails on my phone. I have responded to problem emails at 2am, and have customers rave about the service, and ask "is there a review site or something I can post on to talk about the good service I have gotten from you?"

I nonchalantly say,,, "I wish there were a review site i knew of,,,, do you have a blog or website?"

Got one this morning, one last week, and one the week before JUST LIKE THAT. I lose money on every problem order I have, ONLY because I go above, and beyond what it takes to make things right. Even if the fault was on the shipping company. BUT it pays very single time.

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I am agree with bradtech I think no need to many back link for getting High PR of sites.

Thanks

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Soz alvisgray, you picked the wrong one to agree with.

Unless of course you have shocking and revolutionary proof that Pagerank isn't based on backlinks alone. So let's have it. Your proof I mean....
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all it takes is one link from a pr8 or 7 page and you could a pr6. It may be that the site has one of those kind of links but we are just not seeing it.

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all it takes is one link from a pr8 or 7 page and you could a pr6. It may be that the site has one of those kind of links but we are just not seeing it.
You checked all 9.500(ish) links?

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Google does on occasion show the "wrong" PR number, but 99.99% of the time, there are many unshown backlinks.


I'm with you on this one.

Google seems to be "stingy" with publicly displaying what it knows about a page's backlinks.

Load a site into yahoo site explorer and let's say for the sake of argument, that hypothetical site has 250 backlinks.

Now ask google how many backlinks it is aware of and google might say 14

Do you really think Yahoo knows something Google doesn't?

Of course Google knows what Yahoo knows, google isn't going to tell you everything it knows.

Then there's Google's "supplemental index"

I've heard some call that link purgatory.

I'm thinking (and I can't prove this empirically) that the purpose (or maybe ONE purpose) of the supplemental index is what I call "second tier" algo considerations.

Let's say there's one site on a topic
no other contenders.
then a second site is a challenger
the two of em duke it out, one adds links, the other adds links
if both end up being equal, both have similar authority back links, similar PR backlinks... then the supplemental backlinks might add some weight.

It's as if the 'supplemental' are included for the purpose of being a tie breaker.

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