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Old February 26th, 2003, 07:15 AM
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Incoming links - the pageranks

Hi,

Another scenario below, hoping you guys can keep me right.

Is it better for a site to have:

- 500 PR5+ incoming links only
- 500 PR5+ & 200 PR3 incoming links only
- 500 PR5+ & 200 PR3 & 100 PR1 links only

My qeustion is, will my site do better if ONLY high ranking sites link to me, or is a case of "the more the merrier" ?

These will not be return links - one way only.

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Old February 26th, 2003, 07:16 AM
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PS - If the links should be high ranking, how do we stop PR0 sites from linking to us? I can imagine someone deliberatly setting up a PR0 site and then using it to dilute a competitors ranking.

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Old February 26th, 2003, 10:59 AM
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An incoming link won't dilute your PR, it just may not add to your PR.
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Old February 26th, 2003, 11:46 AM
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Yeah, a site with a PR0 that links to you cant hurt, it just wont help much, if any... Incoming links are always good. Even if they dont help your PR, they might bring you some extra traffic .

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Old February 26th, 2003, 01:25 PM
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But it's interesting to note that it has known to hurt your site when you submit to multiple farms .. FFA pages, which are all PR0.
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Old February 26th, 2003, 03:05 PM
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OK, so it cant hurt much.

Say foir instance I have 500 PR5+ sites linking to me, and 100 PR0 (linkfarms) linking to me.

What is google likely to do? It will on one hand have a great set of sites to follow, and on the other find me on 100 not so desireable sites.

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I dont think it penalyzes you that much for linkfarm sites. Since people could just generate linkfarms, to hurt their compeditors sites, I'm sure google penalyzes a little, but not too badly. Just make sure you dont link to the link farm sites.

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the most important thing is that you don't link BACK to those sites

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How about using a robots.txt file to exclude your links directory (which means google wont follow your outgoing links)?

Would this stop google following any link back to an undesirable site(s)?

Would google have anything against doing this?

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Good question I've been ponderig that one myself. One of our clients insists on developing a page for reciprocal links and untill now I have been able to prevent him ( basically by saying that he could build it himself if he really wanted one ).

However I could save myself a lot of grief if using the robots.txt file would prevent google eventually presenting the site with a big fat penalty.

I think it would probably be safe to do it this way but up to now I've felt that the risk outways any possible gain. I'd love to hear from anyone who has already tried it though.

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No, infact I do this all of the time, but sometime I do it in an extra sneaky way

I ban the file / directory via robots.txt, but I also use javascript to print the link instead of regular HTML e.g.
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document.write('<a href="http://www.site.com">Link Text Here</a>');
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You can get even sneakier though, place the javascript in an external file!! - Great thing is that none of these ways are really considered spam.

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Right first thing tomorrow morning I am goint to sort that out, can't be asked with the external file as the page will be generated dynamically by the data he will be entering in the CMS, but printing the links and using the robots.txt file sounds like a winner.

I don't know what all my 22.8 billion neocortical neurons have been doing for the past month! Such a simple elegant solution to prevent the harrasment.

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I am happy I was able to offer a "question" which has sparked such a good response.

So, now that we are clear that robots.txt and javascript can protect us from mistakingly linking to PR0 sites or a link farm, can you "estimater a pagerank" based on the following?

If I have a site based on Flying Cars, and the following incoming:

1000 incoming links (average page rank of 4), each with the hyperlink text saying : Click for best flying cars

What kind of rank will google give the flying cars web site?

How much does page headers, internal body text, alt tags etc matter?

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Old February 26th, 2003, 05:43 PM
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PS the above is based on no extranl links going out (robots and javascript).

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Everything matters ragos.

If this is a hypothetical question then I'm going to GUESS very loosely at a PR6 and a potential number 1 slot for that query "flying cars". It doesn't seem all that competitive.

How many links would each of those 1000 pages have on them?

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