Google Page Rank
 
Forums: » Register « |  User CP |  Games |  Calendar |  Members |  FAQs |  Sitemap |  Support | 
 
 
User Name:
Password:
Remember me
Go Back   SEO Chat ForumsGoogleGoogle Page Rank

Reply
Add This Thread To:
  Del.icio.us   Digg   Google   Spurl   Blink   Furl   Simpy   Y! MyWeb 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
 
Unread SEO Chat Forums Sponsor:
  #1  
Old April 19th, 2004, 07:58 PM
jmcnealy jmcnealy is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3 jmcnealy User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 27 m 5 sec
Reputation Power: 0
I have a good PR. Where are my hits?

I have over 60 PR 4 or higher links pointing to my site. My site PR is 5 and climbing. I have more links then some of the sites in the top ten for my keywords. However, I am still not listed in Google. Now, my site is still new (only three or four months old if that), and my link number changes wildly at times. I have anchor text with my keyworks. I also limit my keywords to just a few words. Is it a case where Google is still indexing my site (that is, it is working on where I will be placed)? Or is something else going on? My site is http://www.annuityresource.org Thanks for your help. Oh BTW, please tell me what you think of the site. I went for simplicity and speed over flash. Don't pull any punches.

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old April 19th, 2004, 08:52 PM
Agalychnis's Avatar
Agalychnis Agalychnis is offline
Contributing User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Waterloo, Canada
Posts: 159 Agalychnis User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: < 1 sec
Reputation Power: 5
Variable annuities is certainly a hard nut to crack. Any of the financials are.

It seems you are doing well with a PR of 5. The top websites for your category often have PR 6, such as annuity.com. Keep plugging.

I think it's safe to say that 3 months is too short a time for a top performance with such a competitive term. You will have to keep working at it.

As for hits... don't get confused with PR and popularity. Driving traffic to a website is a different issue. Promotion and getting yourself noticed are important steps for you. Advertising may also be something to consider in a small way.

As for the website design. Sorry... not to my liking, and looks a bit unfinished. It's fine to go minimalist. But that's usually lines and form. Still... design is in the eye of the beholder. ;)

Back to the topic at hand. Chin up. Keep at it. Patience is a virtue.

Regards,

Agalychnis

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old April 19th, 2004, 09:56 PM
jmcnealy jmcnealy is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3 jmcnealy User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 27 m 5 sec
Reputation Power: 0
Thanks for you help Agalychnis.

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old April 19th, 2004, 10:50 PM
EGOL's Avatar
EGOL EGOL is offline
EGOL
Click here for more information.
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Snow belt.
Posts: 6,802 EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 1 Month 2 Weeks 5 Days 3 h 46 m 4 sec
Reputation Power: 75
This site is simple and clean. I like it. It's also content rich for its size. We need more sites that are this rich.

IMO it needs keyword research with the goal of a diverse suite of keywords. You hammer "Variable Annuities Information" heavily with it as a master title tag on every page. Go after some diversity with different title tag and h1 text on every page. If there are some heavy hitters above you for your few terms then your traffic will be limited.

With new sites I try to make my early money cleaning up peanuts (easy keywords) that the elephants are dropping.... but after a while... as I develop a little strength... I pick a fight with one of the elephants and kick his ***.

You will be ready for the fight when you have a lot more back links and a lot larger site from continuous content authoring or tools development. Build some resourses that people want to link to. You've got what it takes to do that.

Last edited by EGOL : April 19th, 2004 at 10:52 PM.

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old April 20th, 2004, 02:06 AM
dejaone dejaone is offline
Contributing User
SEO Chat Beginner (1000 - 1499 posts)
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,178 dejaone User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level)dejaone User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level)dejaone User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 6 Days 23 h 17 m 45 sec
Reputation Power: 6
PR is just one of important factors in search engines rankings. You need to make your pages search engine friendly as well (Search Engine Optimization).

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old April 21st, 2004, 05:21 AM
zealousweb's Avatar
zealousweb zealousweb is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ahmedabad
Posts: 3 zealousweb User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: < 1 sec
Reputation Power: 0
Send a message via ICQ to zealousweb Send a message via AIM to zealousweb Send a message via MSN to zealousweb Send a message via Yahoo to zealousweb
Thumbs up PageRank and Keyword Combination

For getting good visits on site PageRank is one of the criteria but not the only one criteria. you should try and post your url each and very possible places where PageRank is also high for that perticular Page. also Try and compete with those keywords which are matching with your PageRank. this way you can list your site in first page of google and you will start enjoying visits

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old April 21st, 2004, 05:58 AM
jman jman is offline
Jarrod Hunt
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 363 jman User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 1 Day 1 h 34 m 42 sec
Reputation Power: 6
Well said Egol,

Going after a big keyword right from the get go is a tough road to follow. I spend a lot of time educating clients on the value of going after the smaller terms first. With an arsenal of good content pages, that are relevant to your main keyword, linking to your main page you can easily start inching your way up to the top.


Quote:
Originally Posted by EGOL
This site is simple and clean. I like it. It's also content rich for its size. We need more sites that are this rich.

IMO it needs keyword research with the goal of a diverse suite of keywords. You hammer "Variable Annuities Information" heavily with it as a master title tag on every page. Go after some diversity with different title tag and h1 text on every page. If there are some heavy hitters above you for your few terms then your traffic will be limited.

With new sites I try to make my early money cleaning up peanuts (easy keywords) that the elephants are dropping.... but after a while... as I develop a little strength... I pick a fight with one of the elephants and kick his ***.

You will be ready for the fight when you have a lot more back links and a lot larger site from continuous content authoring or tools development. Build some resourses that people want to link to. You've got what it takes to do that.
__________________
Professional Link Building Services - Textlinkbrokers.com

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old April 21st, 2004, 07:14 AM
SEO_AM's Avatar
SEO_AM SEO_AM is offline
B afraid.. B very afraid!
Click here for more information.
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Land of enchantment... deserts of the Southwest
Posts: 6,230 SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 2 Months 3 Weeks 4 Days 21 h 8 m 5 sec
Reputation Power: 61
Totally agree... take those inches... then go for the mile. My site is at the mile stage now after taking many inches.

Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old April 21st, 2004, 11:32 AM
ht2th's Avatar
ht2th ht2th is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 29 ht2th User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 16 h 14 m 13 sec
Reputation Power: 0
Your case is like me. Your website is #11 for keyword "Annuities" in allintext and allintitle command. I think your website is too new.

My website is www.royal-orchid-sheraton-bangkok.com . Keywod is "royal orchid sheraton bangkok". My site is not appear in TOP 100 SERP but found at #2 for allintext and allintitle.

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old April 21st, 2004, 11:36 AM
cristi cristi is offline
Contributing User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 111 cristi User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: < 1 sec
Reputation Power: 5
I have the same problem with http://www.djsupplystore.com it is PR4, have a lot of back links but only 2 months old. The result, I have only 3 hits from google this month. I think site age is an important factor for the site ranking.

__________________
Directory free submission: Health Software Law Education Arts Biology Finance

Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old April 21st, 2004, 11:55 PM
relaxzoolander's Avatar
relaxzoolander relaxzoolander is offline
web designer
SEO Chat Frequenter (2500 - 2999 posts)
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: designing a web site in columbus ohio
Posts: 2,993 relaxzoolander User rank is Private First Class (20 - 50 Reputation Level)relaxzoolander User rank is Private First Class (20 - 50 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 3 h 49 m 3 sec
Reputation Power: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by EGOL
This site is simple and clean.

simple and clean is one thing...
devoid of character and identity is quite another.
you really should consider some 'design' quality to your site...for the time when you do manage to 'get the hits'.

the lone graphic is a mysterious book image ackwardly floating beyond the defined boundaries of your site.

also...when i click the form submit button...
why do i wind up at another site --- annuities-central.com ?

Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old April 22nd, 2004, 12:41 AM
jman jman is offline
Jarrod Hunt
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 363 jman User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 1 Day 1 h 34 m 42 sec
Reputation Power: 6
Site age is a big deal these days.

I think my next business is going to be sellling aged domain names.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cristi
I have the same problem with http://www.djsupplystore.com it is PR4, have a lot of back links but only 2 months old. The result, I have only 3 hits from google this month. I think site age is an important factor for the site ranking.


Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old April 22nd, 2004, 08:23 PM
jmcnealy jmcnealy is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3 jmcnealy User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 27 m 5 sec
Reputation Power: 0
Wow, you guys have given me a lot to think about. Thanks for the input. I needed it!

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old April 22nd, 2004, 10:34 PM
EGOL's Avatar
EGOL EGOL is offline
EGOL
Click here for more information.
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Snow belt.
Posts: 6,802 EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)EGOL User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 1 Month 2 Weeks 5 Days 3 h 46 m 4 sec
Reputation Power: 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by jman
Site age is a big deal these days.



Anyone else hold this opinion? I understand that with age you will get spidered into a few directories and recevie a few links... but do you really think that age is a factor in the algo?
__________________
* Its not the size of the dog in the fight that matters... it's the size of the fight in the dog.
* Free advice generally isn't worth much, but cheap advice is worth even less.

Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old April 22nd, 2004, 10:43 PM
SEO_AM's Avatar
SEO_AM SEO_AM is offline
B afraid.. B very afraid!
Click here for more information.
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Land of enchantment... deserts of the Southwest
Posts: 6,230 SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)SEO_AM User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 2 Months 3 Weeks 4 Days 21 h 8 m 5 sec
Reputation Power: 61
To me; without good content, relevance and backlink popularity; age really does not matter. Sites, unlike a good red, do not necessarily improve with age. They just get old.

Reply With Quote