How many PR8's for a PR7?

How many PR8's does a new website need to go to a PR7?

Lets assume that the PR8's have low external link counts and are good sites.

Dan

We really need a sticky for this ... or maybe it will be the subject of my first article submission...

PR is exponential. Best guess is that the factor is 8. In other words, it takes 8 times the PR of a baseline PR7 to make a baseline PR8. Between 80-85% of a page's PR is distributed accross all links (internal or external).

So, depending on many factors (how strong is the PR8, how many links - internal and external on the page) it could take 1 PR8 or 100 PR8's to make your PR7. Odds are it will take just 1-4.

nmalhot is correct. Depending on how strong the PR8 is; it should take between 1-4, but I'm thinking with 2 or 3 the most should give you a PR7.

more importantly, why on earth does it matter?

It certainly does not matter to the same degree that is used to matter. But, pagerank does still affect SERPs. Especially, when you are building PR on a page for the purposes of distributing that PR to other perfectly themed pages, having the strong source of PR is a benefit and I have many real world recent tests that confirms this.

I understand and agree with the point you are trying to make which is that PR on its own is no longer a leading indicator of how well a page will do in the SERPs. But PR does still have some merit. I think some people on the forum are going overboard saying PR is now worthless --- it most certainly is not. It reminds me of the very recent claim that "reciprocal linking is dead" and the very popular article with the same title. Just because the value or importance of a certain factor no longer has the same weight in the algos does not mean they should be completely dismissed.

My opinion is that all search engines have to constantly tweak their algorithms and it is very rare that they would make huge, drastic changes such as google completely dropping the basis of PR in the SERPs algorithm. It may have lost its dominance and it may also be somewhat out of sync with the publicly displayed PR, but I believe many of the same attributes which drive PR are used to some extent in the SERPs algorithms.

I mean no disrespect to you disgust, just sharing a different opinion.

oh, I understand that. and I agree with you completely- PR isn't "dead"- but it means very little, and it'd probably do google a lot of good to get rid of the public display of PR completely.

but even if PR does matter, you shouldn't focus on a specific number, or how many links you need to attain that number.

all you need to keep in mind is: inbound links are good. the more you get, the better. the better anchor text used, the better.

stop worrying about silly arbitrary numbers.

We're probably on the same page with this, but again, just a little devil's advocate ...

When it comes to selling text link ads, or when it comes to exchanging links (whether reciprocal, 3-way, or whatever) people still do look at the PR A LOT... and so the silly arbitrary number still matters in the real world of SEO. ;)

it only matters if you need something direct to show- ie to resell text links.

it doesn't matter in the "world of SEO" if you have a 7.95 PR as opposed to a 8.01 PR, but that's essentially what they're asking here. the PR shown on the toolbar means very, very little- unless, like I said, you only want it as proof to resell text links, sell the site, etc.

So how many PR9's for a PR8??

As well as PR10's for a PR9??


Hey, it could happen...





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We obviously live in different worlds and we'll have to agree to disagree.

I had my first site that I own/run personally reach PR7 with this last update and there is a night and day difference between the number of offers I was receiving 3 months ago with PR0-3 sites and today with my collection of PR4-7 sites for all different types of linking arrangements.

This is directly related to the seemingly arbitrary PR number. Members of this community have created PR-Prowler, Link Proctor, etc. and they focus on PR quite a bit because it still is important to SEO. SEO in my vocabulary does not equate to just SERPs. SERPs is one goal of SEO and PR is an attribute of pages which are your tools to gain good SERPs. So, yes, in my world of SEO, PR still matters.

it is only eyecandy, though. I can understand what you mean about it benefiting in some ways- because some people buy that eye candy, and it makes it look a lot more desirable for potential link partners (either recip or payed for).

but the bottom line is, if google stopped displaying PR to the public, the difference between 7.95 and 8.01 would be virtually non-existant.

and if they wouldn't have been displaying it to the public, the "PR hype" wouldn't exist to quite the same extent, and they may have even left it as a bigger chunk of the SERPs algos.

This we totally agree on. If they had never displayed it and didn't support the allinanchor search, it would have taken SEO's much, much longer to game the system. Oh well, oppotunities lost for them ... opportunities gained for the rest of us.

PR mean very much if you target competitive keywords. Do a search for a competitive keyword, you will not see much low PR sites on the first page.