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    High PR but no backlinks, how?


    I am fairly new to how PR works but I am learning fast. Each time I think I fully understand it though something else confuses me!

    In a nutshell your PR is affected by how many links come into that page, correct?
    If that is the case can someone explain why this page http://strongvpn.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=419 has a PR of 2?

    I was doing keyword research for "PPTP passthrough" and this page came in at number one in the SERPS. I assumed it was down to relevent backlinks but it actually has none. It looks like it is down to the site itself and the overall backlinks relating to VPN. Anyway this is besides the point...I noticed when doing this is that the page has a PR of 2. How is this possible without any backlinks?
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    What do you mean "no backlinks?"

    Surely you are not checking Google's "link:" command - I hope.

    http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=strongvpn.com&bwm=i&bwmf=s&bwmo=&fr=yfp-t-501&fr2=seo-rd-se
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    hay Mucker2010 very interesting question
    Although this page has no links from external sites but there are some measures that will affect the Rank of the page except external links.
    Internal links too affect the Rank of the page let's say the site's home page is Rank 3.
    And he links to this page, for example in the recent messages so this internal page will get a part of the link juice\PR flow.
    or maybe there is 301 redirect to this page that will give him PR to.
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    Originally Posted by dzine
    What do you mean "no backlinks?"

    Surely you are not checking Google's "link:" command - I hope.

    http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=strongvpn.com&bwm=i&bwmf=s&bwmo=&fr=yfp-t-501&fr2=seo-rd-se
    What I mean is backlinks to the exact PAGE not to do the domain.
    Apparently the PR of the page is affected only if the links link to the page not the domain.
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    True, but internal navigation will channel PR from the home page (or other landing pages) to the inner page. Internal links count as backlinks as well, as long as there are some external (=inbound) backlinks to feed them
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    Originally Posted by Mucker2010
    a PR of 2?
    It has a pr of 0...
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    Maybe it has changed since the algo change? I am a noob at PR so if that sounds silly don't flame me for it ;-)
    Anyway besides that I think I've figured it out myself why some pages have a decent PR value with no backlinks.
    The trick...they do but you just can't see them. I have a website (only 4 months old) and every page has a PR 0 except one which has a PR 2. I've been scratching my head for ages trying to figure out why because it only has two backlinks.

    The proble I just realised is that there actaully are a lot of backlinks to it but they are not indexed in yahoo (where my backlink progr gets them from). As you guys will know (but new to me) google only shows a selection on backlinks through the normal search engine. when i look for bl's to this page in google nothing comes up. When i load my webmaster interface though I can see lots of them to this page.

    So in summary there was a lot of confusion I think. It looks like it has a PR 2 from all the bl's but of course these don't show up when using a bl scanner program.

    The above is my opinion but as I said a total noob to PR. just so I am know I'm on the right track can someone confirm that how I understand it is correct?
    And there is NO WAY to increase PR without inbound links?

    thanks

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    thanks dzine! (i dont know how to comment yet?!?!)

    I learnt everything i know about PR in the last 2 days!
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    the page has 3 links i think and also the site has no Google PR. where have you checked the PR of the site dude? check it again and be sure ;)
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    I know I know lol. Looks like I was mistaken with the PR but it seems my question is answered anyway. I was trying understand how a page could get a high PR without links, looks like you can't!
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    If you have quality information on your site and no any backlinks, then also you can get high pr. As due to quality and meaningful information you will get more traffic. And due to more traffic search engine will notice your site, and try to find more about your site. And if search engine find something new and interesting , then it will give the best reputation to your site.

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    Actually given its an internal page it could easily get PR without links as PR from the homepage would be passed down throughout the internal pages.
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    This is obvious that external links pointing to the particular page of any website commonly known as backlink is not the only factor affecting the PR. I would like to know what are the major factors are there that are usually responsible to increase page rank.
    Last edited by rezaulhuq; Dec 21st, 2011 at 06:24 AM.
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    Page Rank is governed by multiple factors like:

    1) Age of site
    2) Shared/Hosted IP
    3) Shared/Hosted Sever
    4) Traffic
    5) Backlinks

    It is a mix of many factors no one knows exactly how it is governed.

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    • farhansheikh agrees : is the number of links affect the page rank especially if it comes from lower page rank or zero page rank sites,can they lower down the ranking of ur site or it is good not to get links from these sites?
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    Yes, I appreciate your given factors affecting the page rank. Domain age can be one good factor because these aged domains are much trusted in the eyes of google and as such it gains a lot of value from it. This is also wise to consider the bounce rate as well.
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