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    PR 0 = penalty?


    I havent been able to answer my self this simple question.

    Is a PR 0 always a penalty?

    Also what is the default PR a new site starts out with?
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    No. It's not always a penalty or PR rest.

    If you have a PR1 or PR2 site and drop to PR0 I would first check for lost or missing links.

    New sites generally have PR NA, then PR0, etc. At least from my experience: expanded: Google Page Rank: Difference between PR 0 and PR NA
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    You will have a visible PR of 0 even if it is: 0.999999999999. Once it turns to a PR1 (1.000000000000) you can have a PR1 of up to: 1.999999999999999 until it turns to PR2. You likely have more than a PR0 but less than a PR1.
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    It should also be noted that PR is on a logarithmic scale, not a linear scale so a the difference between PR0 and PR1 is not the same as between PR1 and PR2. The difference between PR0 & 1 is 1 - the difference between PR1 & 2 is 10, going up in multiples of 10 so PR2 - 3 is a difference of 100 etc.

    Also, PR is way over rated IMO in a ranking signal - just look at any bunch of sites, many low PR sites (PR2) out rank higher PR site (PR 5 +). PR is an indicator of link strength but thats all.
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    I see. thx for clearing that up for me.

    I was asking because I have an old blog hosted on wordpress with PR0 and was wondering if it got penalized.

    Somewhere I read everything hosted on wordpress is supposed to have PR1 because wordpress.com

    It doesn*t have a single backlink that might be the reason.
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    Originally Posted by atentat
    It doesn*t have a single backlink that might be the reason.
    Why did you even ask the question? It is like saying "I don't have any money. Does that mean I can't buy anything?"
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    If you remember the Google high profile penalties, e.g. Penney's, part of their penalty was loss of PR because they lost trust in the eyes of Google.

    The above is why I say that PR is very important as to how trust and authority is viewed by Google towards any given page/site.
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    Originally Posted by SEO_AM
    Why did you even ask the question? It is like saying "I don't have any money. Does that mean I can't buy anything?"
    I thought default PR is 1 not 0.
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    Starting PR on the Google toolbar is PR0.
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    Well yea SEO-AM
    but Is a PR 0 always a penalty? when you never had it in the first place...that's what puzzled me.
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    IMO, a PR0 ranking, once you have had a PR1+ ranking, can be due to a penalty OR a devaluation or loss of backlinks OR an expansion of the Internet with new entrants OR a change in the Google algo itself, OR etc.. In some cases it could a combination of the aforesaid. Without a letter from Google stating that action has been taken against a site, all of us are just guessing. Loss of PR and its reasons, without input from Google, is just a guessing game.
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    I understand now.

    I have other pages too which used to be PR4 but are now 0. I was wondering if there might be a problem, but there were strong back links removed so that is probably the reason.

    I thought since the PR has to come from somewhere default would be 1. After all it gets dilluted by linking so it should also be created by new pages?

    But I guess default PR is more like 0.1 displayed as 0 right?
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    Originally Posted by SEO_AM
    You will have a visible PR of 0 even if it is: 0.999999999999. Once it turns to a PR1 (1.000000000000) you can have a PR1 of up to: 1.999999999999999 until it turns to PR2. You likely have more than a PR0 but less than a PR1.
    Is there any reference material I can consult about it?
    I always thought Toolbar PR was rounded. More like 1.56788 would be 2 and 1.455666 would be 1.
    Now that you say the Toolbar PR is floored and not rounded I need to read a bit more about that. Please guide me to some ref.
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    PR 0 is never be considered as penality as this is starting of PR . Well if you have PR 1 and then get down to 0 then you can say that it got penalized rather having PR doesnt shows penalized site.
    Your work shows the PR of the site . If you have PR 0 for so longtime then it can be said that your work is not fruitful. Ypu have to word harder in this case so that you can increase your PR .
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