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Old January 10th, 2010, 06:04 AM
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Last year I started using Wordpress in place of the custom CMS I had been using for years. There are still plenty of articles on the old CMS that are very well ranked on Google.

I decided to take one of them and move it to Wordpress, and inserted a 301 redirect. The content is the same, but Wordpress has some advantages over my CMS for SEO, such as built in meta tags, etc. The domain is the same.

Here's what happened after I switched on November 26:

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I checked for any problems, and could find none. Google has indexed the new URL, they even cached the latest version! It has not been delisted at all, it just moved from the #1 location for its usual keywords, down to page 3.

Obviously, I am not going to move the rest of my site to Wordpress any time soon!

Have any of you come across something like this? Do you know if it goes back to 'normal'?

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it, especially if you're #1 already?

By the way, meta tags are worthless for SEO, they have exactly zero effect.

How much of a delay was there between the switch and the 301 redirect? Most of your ranking is determined by backlinks. If the 301 was not insretd immediately, it's likely that the links pointing to the old URL broke and lost their value; the 301 now redirects them to the new url, but link age is hugely important to link value, and new links don't have nearly as much power as old ones.

Additionally, did the URL structure change? If you have not got a bunch of subfolders within the URL ( indicated by / ), this also tends to hurt your rankings.

Beyond this, it's hard to say what else may have changed without taking a look.
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The 301 has nothing to do with SEO, I needed to use it because I wanted to switch from an old CMS to a new one.

I thought the links to the old URL would automatically 'forward' to the new one - in other words, that's what I thought the whole point of 301 was. But I guess I was wrong.

I guess I will have to keep all my old articles on the old CMS. I can't have 7 years worth of content disappearing off search engines!

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The 301 has nothing to do with SEO, I needed to use it because I wanted to switch from an old CMS to a new one.

I thought the links to the old URL would automatically 'forward' to the new one - in other words, that's what I thought the whole point of 301 was. But I guess I was wrong.

I guess I will have to keep all my old articles on the old CMS. I can't have 7 years worth of content disappearing off search engines!

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Yes it can be a challenge to switch to sites with different URL's and link structures.
At least you had the wherewithal to only do one page first...

There are a couple of things you could look at to repair the problem.

1. Try and see who linked to your old article, ask them if they could switch the link to point at the new location.
2. Are you positive the header is returning a 301 permanently moved message on the old URL? you can check that here
3. You could move it back, if you are on page 3 the chance it may rank again seems worth the risk of doing nothing.
4. point the links in your old CMS directly at the new URL rather than going through the redirect.

That being said Philip made a good point. If the articles are ranking well then you may as well leave them where they are at if it is not a huge inconvenience.
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Everything seems to check out. I was going to see if it would fix itself if I left it, but I think you're right that it is a better idea to move the link back instead.

Do you think it would work better if I instead created a copy of the old article in the new CMS, but "overwrote" the URL instead of 301 redirecting it? That way, the URL will be the same. I'm sure it could be done with some .htaccess trickery

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301 redirect is the most efficient and Search Engine Friendly method for webpage redirection. It's not that hard to implement and it should preserve your search engine rankings for that particular page.

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after using 301 redirection. you have again your backlinks in google then its effect for ranking....

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