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Old August 6th, 2008, 02:11 PM
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Would a TV rank at well at a .COM

I am thinking about purchasing a TV domain. The .net is for sale but but they want twice as much at i can get the .TV for. As i will be using the site to post photos and video footage i could build a brand around the <keyword>.TV. My questions is:-

Would using a .TV domain be harder to rank globally when compared to say a .NET? My only worry is that the .TV extension would be good to brand the site but it would hurt my chances of ranking on the first page on google.com.

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.tv domains are hard to get listed I have a few and they are harder to get listed then my .com .net .org domians if its a keyword domain go with the .net
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Old August 6th, 2008, 02:51 PM
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Thanks for the heads up. I will not bother with the TV domain.

In terms of SEO is there a difference between a .COM and a .NET?

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Old August 6th, 2008, 03:29 PM
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I think there is a very slight difference for .com .org and .net in that order
If your in the Uk google.co.uk favors Uk domains

I registered some uncompetive keyword domains grabed .com .net and .org for the same domain name and the who is scrappers picked them up and they where listed in this order .com .org .net just from links from the who is scrapper sites

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Would a TV rank at well at a .COM
The TLD should not make a difference to your ranking except for geotargetting. .tv was originally for the tiny country of Tuvalu but it was sold (related article http://money.cnn.com/2006/12/12/technology/pluggedin_lashinsky.fortune/index.htm ). Therefore I do not imagine it has a geo factor any longer.

Google has constantly told us tlds (other than country specific) do not make a difference to rankings. .com are considered the most easy to remeber and the default people will type in if unsure. But if you can get a great brandable .tv that IMO would be better then a average .com....
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It looks like i could get the TV for around a third of the price of the .NET.

Does anyone have any experience optimising .TV domains? Did you notice any difference to promoting a .COM?

I understand that create a brand is important but as I am looking at a few ŁK I want to make sure I am not buying a SEO lemon.

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.tv domains are hard to get listed I have a few and they are harder to get listed then my .com .net .org domians if its a keyword domain go with the .net


OK hotshot... a valid question...

What are the search engines doing to make links, titles and content less effective on a dot.tv?

Maybe what you're seeing is the effects of you 'hardly working' (doing less) to give the sense that search engines are negatively effecting your dot.tv

Did you test that assumption?
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It looks like i could get the TV for around a third of the price of the .NET.

Does anyone have any experience optimising .TV domains? Did you notice any difference to promoting a .COM?

I understand that create a brand is important but as I am looking at a few ŁK I want to make sure I am not buying a SEO lemon.


The SEO lemon was the advice you were first offered... If you did exactly the same domain, content, titles, and links for dot.com, dot.net, and dot.tv they would sit nicely 1, 2, 3 and each day the order would be different because the domain extension is NOT A FACTOR IN ANY ALGORITHM.
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Thanks for the info, that’s really what I wanted to hear. I was just worried as TV used to be a country domain.

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The SEO lemon was the advice you were first offered... If you did exactly the same domain, content, titles, and links for dot.com, dot.net, and dot.tv they would sit nicely 1, 2, 3 and each day the order would be different because the domain extension is NOT A FACTOR IN ANY ALGORITHM.


google.co.uk favors uk keyword domains big time.

do a search for save gas and you will see my site savegas.net barely has any links or content and is in the top 30 for save gas search sometime during the reindexing cycle it get as high as #6

yahoo only shows 63 links
and these are crappy forum post and a pixel ad links LOL
site is PR0 LOL

add some links to savegas.tv and beat me! bet you can't with double the links.

I'll even change my title to savegas.net and match the seo on the .tv site

How much do you want to bet? I'll take your money


so your say 63 links is the only reason I an in the top 30
https://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=http%3A%2F%2Fsavegas.net&bwm=i&bwmf=u&bwms=p&fr=yfp-t-501&fr2=seo-rd-se

Ok now show me 1 high ranking non keyword domain that has less then 100 links and is in the top 30 for a competitive keyword

2 word keyword domains are very strong in the SERPs but only for .org .net .com .co.uk .org.uk and maybe .ca domains thats about it.

Number 1 spot will be a cake walk when I try not even trying

how many .tv domains do you have listed?

Care to prove it I could

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google.co.uk favors uk keyword domains big time.


And so for the globally minded business where there is 60 million people in the UK and 6+ billion elsewhere... your advice to someone is a little backward focused.

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do a search for save gas and you will see my site savegas.net barely has any links or content and is in the top 30 for save gas search sometime during the reindexing cycle it get as high as #6


...and how many other domains did you test you theory on?

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yahoo only shows 63 links
and these are crappy forum post and a pixel ad links LOL
site is PR0 LOL


What does this have to do with the topic?

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add some links to savegas.tv and beat me! bet you can't with double the links.


Surely you have done that - or are you talking out of the side of your mouth on offered advice?

Where did you derive your fact from? Just Guess?

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so your say 63 links is the only reason I an in the top 30
https://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=http%3A%2F%2Fsavegas.net&bwm=i&bwmf=u&bwms=p&fr=yfp-t-501&fr2=seo-rd-se


I'm saying you can make any argument work by only looking it from one side... but here we attempt to offer members "advice" that has a little bit better grounding than "look at my dot.net" it must be better because no one is using dot.tv to beat me.

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Ok now show me 1 high ranking non keyword domain that has less then 100 links and is in the top 30 for a competitive keyword


I thought we were discussing domain entension not the quality of links?

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2 word keyword domains are very strong in the SERPs but only for .org .net .com .co.uk .org.uk and maybe .ca domains thats about it.


Surely this has a little bit to do with which sites are being promoted and which ones aren't and history...

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Number 1 spot will be a cake walk when I try not even trying how many .tv domains do you have listed?

Care to prove it I could


I'd love to see you prove it... at least then we can all say "this guy knows from experience"... as it is now you just refuted your own claim noting that you haven't proved it yet!

Good luck!

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Ok I change my title to the same as savegas.tv and make any changes you want to any other tags you add links that are equal to twice mine let see what happens. You won't beat me how much do you want to bet? what the hell I give you all the links you can get.

surly you can come up with 120 forum post and a $1 pixel ad


Prove .tv is equal to .net

so are you tell me you know from experience? show me an example of a .tv domain that ranks well and compare it to a dot net org or com bet you can't find one!

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Ok I change my title to the same as savegas.tv and make any changes you want to any other tags you add links that are equal to twice mine let see what happens. You won't beat me how much do you want to bet? what the hell I give you all the links you can get.

surly you can come up with 120 forum post and a $1 pixel ad


Prove .tv is equal to .net

so are you tell me you know from experience? show me an example of a .tv domain that ranks well and compare it to a dot net org or com bet you can't find one!


I need to prove your theory correct? [or rather I need to disprove your theory] ... I thought you already did this?

If you're going to test the validity of extensions you need to remove all external influences like domain age, well really page and links to page age...

surely if age is a factor you're biasing your experiment even before you start.

Actually you should start with a hypothesis... something like:

well paraphrasing your version:

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Search engines penalize non-tld simply because they are not top level domains... well except for dot.ca & dot.uk because search engines like Canucks and Kippers but they hate dot.tv because the country was greedy and took cash for the use of .tv to represnt television... anyway I believe in this hypothesis because I have no good reason I just want to feel important to SEOChat!


Something like that?

Try to reword and then buy a couple of numercial domains like 4962395744.com, 4962395744.net, 4962395744.com.tv etc.

...at least this way you can remove your current error e.g. history doesn't count [or because you should start your research here - to make sure your assumptions aren't wrong.

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