Google Optimization
 
Forums: » Register « |  User CP |  Games |  Calendar |  Members |  FAQs |  Sitemap |  Support | 
 
User Name:
Password:
Remember me
Go Back   SEO Chat ForumsGoogleGoogle Optimization

Reply
Add This Thread To:
  Del.icio.us   Digg   Google   Spurl   Blink   Furl   Simpy   Y! MyWeb 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
 
Unread SEO Chat Forums Sponsor:
  #1  
Old August 6th, 2008, 02:11 PM
FCP FCP is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 7 FCP User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 2 h 6 m 8 sec
Reputation Power: 0
Would a TV rank at well at a .COM

I am thinking about purchasing a TV domain. The .net is for sale but but they want twice as much at i can get the .TV for. As i will be using the site to post photos and video footage i could build a brand around the <keyword>.TV. My questions is:-

Would using a .TV domain be harder to rank globally when compared to say a .NET? My only worry is that the .TV extension would be good to brand the site but it would hurt my chances of ranking on the first page on google.com.

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old August 6th, 2008, 02:44 PM
searchresearch searchresearch is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 42 searchresearch Negative: is most likely a SPAMMER and a traitor to the cause. 
Time spent in forums: 9 h 25 m 35 sec
Warnings Level: 5
Number of bans: 1
Reputation Power: 0
.tv domains are hard to get listed I have a few and they are harder to get listed then my .com .net .org domians if its a keyword domain go with the .net
Comments on this post
fathom disagrees: Total BS!

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old August 6th, 2008, 02:51 PM
FCP FCP is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 7 FCP User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 2 h 6 m 8 sec
Reputation Power: 0
Thanks for the heads up. I will not bother with the TV domain.

In terms of SEO is there a difference between a .COM and a .NET?

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old August 6th, 2008, 03:29 PM
searchresearch searchresearch is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 42 searchresearch Negative: is most likely a SPAMMER and a traitor to the cause. 
Time spent in forums: 9 h 25 m 35 sec
Warnings Level: 5
Number of bans: 1
Reputation Power: 0
I think there is a very slight difference for .com .org and .net in that order
If your in the Uk google.co.uk favors Uk domains

I registered some uncompetive keyword domains grabed .com .net and .org for the same domain name and the who is scrappers picked them up and they where listed in this order .com .org .net just from links from the who is scrapper sites

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old August 6th, 2008, 06:55 PM
gazzahk's Avatar
gazzahk gazzahk is offline
Roll the dice.. and live
Click here for more information.
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,248 gazzahk User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)gazzahk User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)gazzahk User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)gazzahk User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)gazzahk User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)gazzahk User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)gazzahk User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)gazzahk User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 2 Months 3 Weeks 6 Days 9 h 9 m 58 sec
Reputation Power: 132
Quote:
Originally Posted by FCP
Would a TV rank at well at a .COM
The TLD should not make a difference to your ranking except for geotargetting. .tv was originally for the tiny country of Tuvalu but it was sold (related article http://money.cnn.com/2006/12/12/technology/pluggedin_lashinsky.fortune/index.htm ). Therefore I do not imagine it has a geo factor any longer.

Google has constantly told us tlds (other than country specific) do not make a difference to rankings. .com are considered the most easy to remeber and the default people will type in if unsure. But if you can get a great brandable .tv that IMO would be better then a average .com....
__________________
Live the moment

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old August 7th, 2008, 12:16 PM
FCP FCP is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 7 FCP User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 2 h 6 m 8 sec
Reputation Power: 0
It looks like i could get the TV for around a third of the price of the .NET.

Does anyone have any experience optimising .TV domains? Did you notice any difference to promoting a .COM?

I understand that create a brand is important but as I am looking at a few £K I want to make sure I am not buying a SEO lemon.

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old August 7th, 2008, 12:31 PM
fathom's Avatar
fathom fathom is offline
Brutal Honesty
Click here for more information.
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Permanently Traveling USA
Posts: 10,947 fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 4 Months 3 Days 23 h 6 m 23 sec
Reputation Power: 150
Send a message via MSN to fathom Send a message via Skype to fathom
Quote:
Originally Posted by searchresearch
.tv domains are hard to get listed I have a few and they are harder to get listed then my .com .net .org domians if its a keyword domain go with the .net


OK hotshot... a valid question...

What are the search engines doing to make links, titles and content less effective on a dot.tv?

Maybe what you're seeing is the effects of you 'hardly working' (doing less) to give the sense that search engines are negatively effecting your dot.tv

Did you test that assumption?
__________________
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act, but a habit." -- Aristotle

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old August 7th, 2008, 12:38 PM
fathom's Avatar
fathom fathom is offline
Brutal Honesty
Click here for more information.
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Permanently Traveling USA
Posts: 10,947 fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 4 Months 3 Days 23 h 6 m 23 sec
Reputation Power: 150
Send a message via MSN to fathom Send a message via Skype to fathom
Quote:
Originally Posted by FCP
It looks like i could get the TV for around a third of the price of the .NET.

Does anyone have any experience optimising .TV domains? Did you notice any difference to promoting a .COM?

I understand that create a brand is important but as I am looking at a few £K I want to make sure I am not buying a SEO lemon.


The SEO lemon was the advice you were first offered... If you did exactly the same domain, content, titles, and links for dot.com, dot.net, and dot.tv they would sit nicely 1, 2, 3 and each day the order would be different because the domain extension is NOT A FACTOR IN ANY ALGORITHM.
Comments on this post
searchresearch disagrees!

Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old August 7th, 2008, 01:13 PM
FCP FCP is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 7 FCP User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 2 h 6 m 8 sec
Reputation Power: 0
Thanks for the info, that’s really what I wanted to hear. I was just worried as TV used to be a country domain.

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old August 9th, 2008, 02:24 PM
searchresearch searchresearch is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 42 searchresearch Negative: is most likely a SPAMMER and a traitor to the cause. 
Time spent in forums: 9 h 25 m 35 sec
Warnings Level: 5
Number of bans: 1
Reputation Power: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by fathom
The SEO lemon was the advice you were first offered... If you did exactly the same domain, content, titles, and links for dot.com, dot.net, and dot.tv they would sit nicely 1, 2, 3 and each day the order would be different because the domain extension is NOT A FACTOR IN ANY ALGORITHM.


google.co.uk favors uk keyword domains big time.

do a search for save gas and you will see my site savegas.net barely has any links or content and is in the top 30 for save gas search sometime during the reindexing cycle it get as high as #6

yahoo only shows 63 links
and these are crappy forum post and a pixel ad links LOL
site is PR0 LOL

add some links to savegas.tv and beat me! bet you can't with double the links.

I'll even change my title to savegas.net and match the seo on the .tv site

How much do you want to bet? I'll take your money


so your say 63 links is the only reason I an in the top 30
https://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=http%3A%2F%2Fsavegas.net&bwm=i&bwmf=u&bwms=p&fr=yfp-t-501&fr2=seo-rd-se

Ok now show me 1 high ranking non keyword domain that has less then 100 links and is in the top 30 for a competitive keyword

2 word keyword domains are very strong in the SERPs but only for .org .net .com .co.uk .org.uk and maybe .ca domains thats about it.

Number 1 spot will be a cake walk when I try not even trying

how many .tv domains do you have listed?

Care to prove it I could

Last edited by searchresearch : August 9th, 2008 at 03:14 PM.

Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old August 9th, 2008, 03:25 PM
fathom's Avatar
fathom fathom is offline
Brutal Honesty
Click here for more information.
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Permanently Traveling USA
Posts: 10,947 fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 4 Months 3 Days 23 h 6 m 23 sec
Reputation Power: 150
Send a message via MSN to fathom Send a message via Skype to fathom
Quote:
Originally Posted by searchresearch
google.co.uk favors uk keyword domains big time.


And so for the globally minded business where there is 60 million people in the UK and 6+ billion elsewhere... your advice to someone is a little backward focused.

Quote:
do a search for save gas and you will see my site savegas.net barely has any links or content and is in the top 30 for save gas search sometime during the reindexing cycle it get as high as #6


...and how many other domains did you test you theory on?

Quote:
yahoo only shows 63 links
and these are crappy forum post and a pixel ad links LOL
site is PR0 LOL


What does this have to do with the topic?

Quote:
add some links to savegas.tv and beat me! bet you can't with double the links.


Surely you have done that - or are you talking out of the side of your mouth on offered advice?

Where did you derive your fact from? Just Guess?

Quote:
so your say 63 links is the only reason I an in the top 30
https://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=http%3A%2F%2Fsavegas.net&bwm=i&bwmf=u&bwms=p&fr=yfp-t-501&fr2=seo-rd-se


I'm saying you can make any argument work by only looking it from one side... but here we attempt to offer members "advice" that has a little bit better grounding than "look at my dot.net" it must be better because no one is using dot.tv to beat me.

Quote:
Ok now show me 1 high ranking non keyword domain that has less then 100 links and is in the top 30 for a competitive keyword


I thought we were discussing domain entension not the quality of links?

Quote:
2 word keyword domains are very strong in the SERPs but only for .org .net .com .co.uk .org.uk and maybe .ca domains thats about it.


Surely this has a little bit to do with which sites are being promoted and which ones aren't and history...

Quote:
Number 1 spot will be a cake walk when I try not even trying how many .tv domains do you have listed?

Care to prove it I could


I'd love to see you prove it... at least then we can all say "this guy knows from experience"... as it is now you just refuted your own claim noting that you haven't proved it yet!

Good luck!

Last edited by fathom : August 9th, 2008 at 03:29 PM.

Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old August 9th, 2008, 03:51 PM
searchresearch searchresearch is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 42 searchresearch Negative: is most likely a SPAMMER and a traitor to the cause. 
Time spent in forums: 9 h 25 m 35 sec
Warnings Level: 5
Number of bans: 1
Reputation Power: 0
Q

Ok I change my title to the same as savegas.tv and make any changes you want to any other tags you add links that are equal to twice mine let see what happens. You won't beat me how much do you want to bet? what the hell I give you all the links you can get.

surly you can come up with 120 forum post and a $1 pixel ad


Prove .tv is equal to .net

so are you tell me you know from experience? show me an example of a .tv domain that ranks well and compare it to a dot net org or com bet you can't find one!

Last edited by searchresearch : August 9th, 2008 at 03:57 PM.

Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old August 9th, 2008, 04:24 PM
fathom's Avatar
fathom fathom is offline
Brutal Honesty
Click here for more information.
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Permanently Traveling USA
Posts: 10,947 fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 4 Months 3 Days 23 h 6 m 23 sec
Reputation Power: 150
Send a message via MSN to fathom Send a message via Skype to fathom
Quote:
Originally Posted by searchresearch
Ok I change my title to the same as savegas.tv and make any changes you want to any other tags you add links that are equal to twice mine let see what happens. You won't beat me how much do you want to bet? what the hell I give you all the links you can get.

surly you can come up with 120 forum post and a $1 pixel ad


Prove .tv is equal to .net

so are you tell me you know from experience? show me an example of a .tv domain that ranks well and compare it to a dot net org or com bet you can't find one!


I need to prove your theory correct? [or rather I need to disprove your theory] ... I thought you already did this?

If you're going to test the validity of extensions you need to remove all external influences like domain age, well really page and links to page age...

surely if age is a factor you're biasing your experiment even before you start.

Actually you should start with a hypothesis... something like:

well paraphrasing your version:

Quote:
Search engines penalize non-tld simply because they are not top level domains... well except for dot.ca & dot.uk because search engines like Canucks and Kippers but they hate dot.tv because the country was greedy and took cash for the use of .tv to represnt television... anyway I believe in this hypothesis because I have no good reason I just want to feel important to SEOChat!


Something like that?

Try to reword and then buy a couple of numercial domains like 4962395744.com, 4962395744.net, 4962395744.com.tv etc.

...at least this way you can remove your current error e.g. history doesn't count [or because you should start your research here - to make sure your assumptions aren't wrong.

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old August 9th, 2008, 04:33 PM
searchresearch searchresearch is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 42 searchresearch Negative: is most likely a SPAMMER and a traitor to the cause. 
Time spent in forums: 9 h 25 m 35 sec
Warnings Level: 5
Number of bans: 1
Reputation Power: 0
too prove I am right I am going to give you a big advantage.

I just registered
searchenginemarketinghalifax.com

You rank #3 for this so you have a big advantage.

register searchenginemarketinghalifax.tv

and beat me for "search engine marketing halifax"

by the way your site is down get a new host

I'll probably beat your site.

If you don't register .tv and prove me wrong I'll just beat your site. bet you don't even register searchenginemarketinghalifax.tv

site is up <snip>

Why do you need to pick on everyone? call people stupid and stuff your business must be really good you have lots of time to post due to lack of customers. I got to go I have better things to do

Last edited by ClickyB : August 9th, 2008 at 07:59 PM. Reason: removed link

Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old August 9th, 2008, 04:46 PM
fathom's Avatar
fathom fathom is offline
Brutal Honesty
Click here for more information.
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Permanently Traveling USA
Posts: 10,947 fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level)fathom User rank is First Lieutenant (10000 - 20000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 4 Months 3 Days 23 h 6 m 23 sec
Reputation Power: 150
Send a message via MSN to fathom Send a message via Skype to fathom
Quote:
Originally Posted by searchresearch
too prove I am right I am going to give you a big advantage.

I just registered
searchenginemarketinghalifax.com

You rank #3 for this so you have a big advantage.

register searchenginemarketinghalifax.tv

and beat me for "search engine marketing halifax"

by the way your site is down get a new host

I'll probably beat your site.

Why do you need to pick on everyone? call people stupid and stuff your business must be really good you have lots of time to post due to lack of customers. I got to go I have better things to do


Unfortunately I don't pick on everyone... the dumb ones are masters of their own stupidity.

...I really don't care what ranks you think you get for purely owning a dot.com and what you think you lose by owning a dot.tv...

You're WRONG!

Last edited by fathom : August 9th, 2008 at 04:52 PM.

Reply With Quote
Reply

Viewing: SEO Chat ForumsGoogleGoogle Optimization > Would a TV rank at well at a .COM


Thread Tools  Search this Thread 
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes  Rate This Thread 
Rate This Thread:


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
View Your Warnings | New Posts | Latest News | Latest Threads | Shoutbox
Forum Jump



 Free IT White Papers!
 
How to Present Effectively Online
This white paper offers practical and actionable advice on the key steps that any presenter should consider as they plan and execute a Webinar or online meeting.

Request Your Free Technology Downloads!
 
Open Source Security Myths
Open Source Software (OSS) is computer software whose source code is available to the general public with relaxed or non-existent intellectual property restrictions (or arrangement such as the public domain), and is usually developed with the input of many contributors.

Request Your Free Technology Downloads!
 
Power and Cooling Capacity Management for Data Centers
This paper describes the principles for achieving power and cooling capacity management.

Request Your Free Technology Downloads!
 
Scalable, Fault-Tolerant NAS for Oracle - The Next Generation
For several years NAS has been evolving as a storage alternative for Oracle databases, and for good reason: NAS is quite often the simplest, most cost-effective storage approach for Oracle. Learn about the benefits that HP's approach to scalable NAS brings to Oracle environments in this comprehensive white paper.

Request Your Free Technology Downloads!
 
Understanding Web Application Security Challenges
This white paper discusses many common threats and preventive measures for Web application security, and explains what you can do to help protect your organization.

Request Your Free Technology Downloads!
 

Forums: » Register « |  User CP |  Games |  Calendar |  Members |  FAQs |  Sitemap |  Support | 
  
 





© 2003-2009 by Developer Shed. All rights reserved. DS Cluster 4 hosted by Hostway
Stay green...Green IT