Google Optimization
 
Forums: » Register « |  User CP |  Games |  Calendar |  Members |  FAQs |  Sitemap |  Support | 
 
User Name:
Password:
Remember me
Go Back   SEO Chat ForumsGoogleGoogle Optimization
  • Dofollow Links From PR9 Sites (including .edu and .gov sites!!!);
  • 1-Year Link Guarantee;
  • Free 500-8,000 Submissions;
  • Campaign Absolutely Natural to Google.

BuySellLinks.com is a new Text Link Advertising Brokerage by the founder of LinkAdage that offers high-end text links and a premier membership base. We screen all advertisers and publishers and their web pages to make sure we are offering a service that works for everyone. Our plug-in is super easy to install but if you are hands off, w e offer free installation.

Tired of dealing with shady text link buyers and/or sellers? Try BuySellLinks.
Receive the tools necessary to be the rock star of your field. Our 12-month program teaches you the evolving world of multi-channel marketing as well as the complex issues and opportunities found in the industry.


Become a Member at BuySellLinks.com Now

Learn More!

Reply
Add This Thread To:
  Del.icio.us   Digg   Google   Spurl   Blink   Furl   Simpy   Y! MyWeb 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
 
Unread SEO Chat Forums Sponsor:
  #1  
Old August 4th, 2008, 02:52 AM
jmoe jmoe is offline
SEO Geek
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 61 jmoe User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 5 h 16 m 42 sec
Reputation Power: 4
Exclamation What is the Impact of XML sitemaps

this is an issue happened with me when i have added new xml site map to my site and submit it to Google. all the old pages that been indexed over the past 3 years were removed. and my listings on SEPRs dropped and removed.... i want to discuss this issue with SEO experts. as i'll be adding xml sitemaps to my clients. does that affect their ranking? or what happened with me was just a special case? it's really an important issue so any one has a point to add would be appreciated.

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old August 4th, 2008, 06:40 AM
seo-gurgaon seo-gurgaon is offline
Permanently Banned
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: India
Posts: 79 seo-gurgaon User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level)seo-gurgaon User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level)seo-gurgaon User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 1 Day 11 h 18 m 30 sec
Warnings Level: 10
Number of bans: 1
Reputation Power: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmoe
this is an issue happened with me when i have added new xml site map to my site and submit it to Google. all the old pages that been indexed over the past 3 years were removed. and my listings on SEPRs dropped and removed.... i want to discuss this issue with SEO experts. as i'll be adding xml sitemaps to my clients. does that affect their ranking? or what happened with me was just a special case? it's really an important issue so any one has a point to add would be appreciated.


An XML sitemap can't do damages on such a big scale. You must have some other issues. I don't use XML sitemaps and don't recommend them. They are good for nothing. If you have some crawling/indexing problem then fix them. You can't force search engines through sitemaps to crawl and index all of your pages.

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old August 4th, 2008, 07:08 AM
tstolber's Avatar
tstolber tstolber is offline
SEO Consultant
SEO Chat Expert (3500 - 3999 posts)
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Posts: 3,652 tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 2 Weeks 6 Days 18 h 17 m 45 sec
Reputation Power: 463
Send a message via Google Talk to tstolber Send a message via Skype to tstolber
An XML sitemap can't do damage period!

Google states that an XML sitemap does NOT in any way influence your search results.

All it does is tell Google about the URLs on your site, even if you put in incorrect date it will tell you there is an error.

What happened with your site must have been due to some other reason like a data center switch of an algorithm update.
__________________
SEO Tools & News

Follow me on Twitter @tstolber
Google SEO Circle - tstolber

IKROH SEO for Search Engine Optimisation UK - 01908 379938 / USA - 651 964 3392

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old August 4th, 2008, 09:21 AM
JagNet's Avatar
JagNet JagNet is offline
Smoke me a kipper...
Click here for more information
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,485 JagNet User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)JagNet User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)JagNet User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)JagNet User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)JagNet User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)JagNet User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level)JagNet User rank is Second Lieutenant (5000 - 10000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 1 Month 2 Weeks 4 Days 3 h 37 m 22 sec
Reputation Power: 70
Quote:
Originally Posted by seo-gurgaon
I don't use XML sitemaps and don't recommend them. They are good for nothing. If you have some crawling/indexing problem then fix them. You can't force search engines through sitemaps to crawl and index all of your pages.


To dismiss the value of XML sitemaps as being worthless seems perhaps a little extreme.

For a small site, their value is questionable, but for medium to large sites the ability to notify search engines about new or updated pages in deeper parts of the site is very useful. It could take days (or even weeks) for the search engines to locate these additions/alterations from a standard webcrawl, whereas an XML sitemap can alert them to it within 24 hours.

Sure, there are other ways of doing so -- social bookmarking the pages, linking to them from the homepage, etc -- but this is not always possible, nor appropriate.

Any decent CMS should automatically create XML sitemaps for you, so they require no time or effort on your part to implement.

Back to the OP's question:

As has already been mentioned, ordinarily there's no way submitting a sitemap can harm your rankings. The only time I've seen XML sitemaps cause issues is when they contain URLs that are different to those used on the site, yet still function, thus creating duplicate content problems.
__________________
... I'll be back for breakfast
New to SEO? SEOChat SEO FAQs
Forum Rules and Posting Guidelines
URL canonicalization code solutions
Vigorously pursuing the floccinaucinihilipilification of cheap SEO tricks

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old August 4th, 2008, 10:29 AM
CommonDavid CommonDavid is offline
Contributing User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Manchester NH
Posts: 365 CommonDavid User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level)CommonDavid User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level)CommonDavid User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level)CommonDavid User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 4 Days 4 h 7 m 52 sec
Reputation Power: 9
Send a message via ICQ to CommonDavid Send a message via AIM to CommonDavid
A sitemap can do huge damage... if the creation of it sucks your resources and slows your site down enough you'll lose rankings.

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old August 4th, 2008, 11:05 AM
tstolber's Avatar
tstolber tstolber is offline
SEO Consultant
SEO Chat Expert (3500 - 3999 posts)
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Posts: 3,652 tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level)tstolber User rank is Lieutenant Colonel (40000 - 50000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 2 Weeks 6 Days 18 h 17 m 45 sec
Reputation Power: 463
Send a message via Google Talk to tstolber Send a message via Skype to tstolber
Quote:
A sitemap can do huge damage... if the creation of it sucks your resources and slows your site down enough you'll lose rankings.


That would have to be one massive sitemap!

The sitemap protocol deal with massive sitemaps by having a sitemap index and I think 10,000 or 100,000 (can't remember which) URLs per map.

Creating these files can be done offline on a development platform.

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old August 4th, 2008, 11:54 AM
CommonDavid CommonDavid is offline
Contributing User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Manchester NH
Posts: 365 CommonDavid User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level)CommonDavid User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level)CommonDavid User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level)CommonDavid User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 4 Days 4 h 7 m 52 sec
Reputation Power: 9
Send a message via ICQ to CommonDavid Send a message via AIM to CommonDavid
Quote:
Originally Posted by tstolber
That would have to be one massive sitemap!

The sitemap protocol deal with massive sitemaps by having a sitemap index and I think 10,000 or 100,000 (can't remember which) URLs per map.

Creating these files can be done offline on a development platform.


Most CMS' have a sitemap module, so you just have to make sure it won't drain you.

Last edited by CommonDavid : August 4th, 2008 at 11:59 AM.

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old August 4th, 2008, 11:59 AM
CommonDavid CommonDavid is offline
Contributing User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Manchester NH
Posts: 365 CommonDavid User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level)CommonDavid User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level)CommonDavid User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level)CommonDavid User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 4 Days 4 h 7 m 52 sec
Reputation Power: 9
Send a message via ICQ to CommonDavid Send a message via AIM to CommonDavid
Notice you don't see any http://www.myspace.com/sitemap.xml, http://www.facebook.com/sitemap.xml, http://www.twitter.com/sitemap.xml, http://www.boston.com/sitemap.xml etc...

Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old August 4th, 2008, 06:47 PM
jmoe jmoe is offline
SEO Geek
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 61 jmoe User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 5 h 16 m 42 sec
Reputation Power: 4
this is my site map and i think i have done it correctly.
www. shoesuperstore.com .au/ sitemap.xml

the new thing i done to my site before loosing the results is creating and submiting the site map

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old August 4th, 2008, 09:05 PM
linkhunter linkhunter is offline
Hayden Dell
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Saint Louis
Posts: 147 linkhunter User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level)linkhunter User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level)linkhunter User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level)linkhunter User rank is Corporal (100 - 500 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 2 Days 2 h 59 m 13 sec
Reputation Power: 6
The sitemap should not be affecting your rankings at all. Try placing the following in your robots.txt file and resubmit to Google:

Sitemap:http://www.domain(dot)com/sitemap.xml

Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old August 4th, 2008, 09:25 PM
jmoe jmoe is offline
SEO Geek
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 61 jmoe User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 5 h 16 m 42 sec
Reputation Power: 4
thanks i'll try that

Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old August 5th, 2008, 04:01 AM
multichild multichild is offline
Registered User
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 4 multichild User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 3 h 36 m 18 sec
Reputation Power: 0
Hi linkhunter,

I have followed your advice above and wanted to double check that this is the proper way of doing it.

User-Agent: *
Allow: /
Sitemap: (mysite/sitemap.xml)

Thanks

Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old August 5th, 2008, 07:39 AM
seo-gurgaon seo-gurgaon is offline
Permanently Banned
SEO Chat Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: India
Posts: 79 seo-gurgaon User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level)seo-gurgaon User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level)seo-gurgaon User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 1 Day 11 h 18 m 30 sec
Warnings Level: 10
Number of bans: 1
Reputation Power: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by JagNet
For a small site, their value is questionable, but for medium to large sites the ability to notify search engines about new or updated pages in deeper parts of the site is very useful.


As mentioned above you don't see any http://www.myspace.com/sitemap.xml, http://www.facebook.com/sitemap.xml, http://www.twitter.com/sitemap.xml, http://www.boston.com/sitemap.xml etc...

MySpace alone has several million web pages.

Not even yahoo
http://www.yahoo.com/sitemap.xml

Which is the most popular website in the world

And if you think that these sites are not bothered whether or not the web pages get indexed cos of there huge market share and visibility, then what about ebay and amazon. Where are the XML sitemaps on these two most popular e-commerce website.

And where is the XML sitemap on the seochat.com?


Google recommends XML sitemaps. But I have always faced some sort of problem when i used XML sitemaps. And not using it won't cause any harm to rankings. So i just don't use it.

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old August 5th, 2008, 10:54 AM
Darrin Ward's Avatar
Darrin Ward Darrin Ward is offline
Founder, SEOChat.com :)
SEO Chat Beginner (1000 - 1499 posts)
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 1,452 Darrin Ward User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level)Darrin Ward User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level)Darrin Ward User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level)Darrin Ward User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level)Darrin Ward User rank is Sergeant (500 - 2000 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 21 h 13 m 39 sec
Reputation Power: 22
A couple of points...

1) XML Sitemaps are nice to have in place, just for the peace of mind. They might not be worth great effort, but if they can be easily done, why not!

2) XML Sitemaps do NOT have to be located at /sitemap.xml - so just because you can't see them for various public sites by typing that in does not mean that those sites don't have XML sitemaps.
Comments on this post
JagNet agrees: you beat me to it
__________________
Darrin J. Ward, the Original Founder of SEO Chat (this site), Google Dance Tool & some other cool stuff! Read my: Professional SEO Site or Twitter: @DarrinJWard.

Reply With Quote
Reply

Viewing: SEO Chat ForumsGoogleGoogle Optimization > What is the Impact of XML sitemaps


Thread Tools  Search this Thread 
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes  Rate This Thread 
Rate This Thread:


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
View Your Warnings | New Posts | Latest News | Latest Threads | Shoutbox
Forum Jump

Forums: » Register « |  User CP |  Games |  Calendar |  Members |  FAQs |  Sitemap |  Support | 
  
 


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

© 2003-2012 by Developer Shed. All rights reserved. DS Cluster 5 - Follow our Sitemap
 
SEO Chat is sponsored by:
Close this Sponsor Message