The Sticky for Meta Description, keywords, keyword density, and title tags

Shut up shut up shut up. I've been back for three weeks and I don't comprehend why daily there is a new post regarding about topics. Let me run them down for you including the much debated description tag. I have a new thought on that one (not new new, just fresh...

Title tags: Exceptionally Important. Use it for page description, brand recognition, keyword placement. Want to know how many characters? Go count yourself in Google results.

meta description tags: IMO no ranking addition (may be wrong.) IF it's off topic and unrelated to content does it hinder some Google score? We can almost certainly safely conclude you don't get benefit from the tag.

Benefits then? If you don't have content that reflects the site/page content/ search term, then a description tag will help. It also provides the impetus for more clicks then another result with an unclear description.

However most disagree whether this is actually true since tests are inconclusive. From my perspective it DOES help a small minority and is therefore beneficial for said reasons above. If you, however, have targeted content that will do well as a description, no need for the tag.

From my tests on eye-tracking and CTR the TITLE tag is usually what people will glance over not the description tag. Having said THAT we still have evidence that descriptions still work.

Case in point? an example used in the keyword density argument--Dell.com

Dell.com ranks for 'computers'. Sure they have tons of links, but how on earth does Google find title and description tags with the KW computers?! if they don't have it in their content.

The title tag is derived from a DMOZ listing (with 'computers'), however, but the meta description is also used and contains the word 'computers'. So it DOES suggest that if you're a hermit and were searching for computers, didn't know who Dell was, (and they didn't have a dmoz listing), seeing the top ranked site with 'computers' in the description (and in this case title) may induce a click.

keyword density

Copy and paste me recent response....Some SEOs actually look at KW density. I think it's stupid. If you do the normal optimization for 2-3 keywords per page (i.e. bold the words, in the title tags, header tags) then why are you looking at KW density?

Anything between 0-100% is fine. 100% means you have a page with one word, 0% means you may get traffic through LSI (latent semantic indexing) traffic.

At the end of the day it's about your content. if you pay attention for LASTING and VALUABLE content to your target market then you will NATURALLY incur keywords throughout the document/page. If you write for search engines then you'll have to pay attention to your stupid English pages and your keywords densities.

Write for people, optimize for engines, write great content for people, lasting content, valuable content. Stop WASTING time on densities. that's so 2003.

And with that, stop posting the same crap, ppuuhhlease.

great info! I must admit that I'm still in keyword density. I always rely on it cause I don't want to guess if my optimization is good or bad. I can tell that is good if it has a good density. I guess my method is wrong. Better change it by now and think of other ways!

better think of this one! Bookmarked this page!

i think that in all the meta tags the description is important from all the meta tags.
and of course the most important is the title..

i think many seo masters here. and they will help newbie like me about seo. i am still confuse about keywords density. i hope in this forum i can learn about it. thanks

Your confusion is warranted... it doesn't work!

Among the other topics is that one: http://forums.seochat.com/search-engine-optimization-28/on-page-optimisation----an-introductory-guide-216119.html

I have to disagree with two things:

1. I DO find sticky threads very useful and I DO READ them. I just can't make out why on this earth anybody would not read a sticky if the information is there and considering the fact its been made a sticky by the experts and they must have found great value in the same.

2. I don't think Title tag can become irrelevant ever. Atleast not from users point of view as we would always need to know what the page is all about upfront and search engines can never discount this fact so can't remove it from a ranking factor IMO.

You can say it applies to meta description as well but it happened meta description had scope to be spammed heavily and this is not the case with title.

After reading the comments from the expert i have also started adding meta keywords and description to web pages...

Let see how this would help me to rank in the SE.

Did you actually read those comments or did you write a typo...

"After reading the comments from the expert i have also started REMOVING meta keywords and description to web pages..."

Is 75% fine? Is 50% fine? Is 95% fine? What about keyword stuffing? Site with 75% in 400 words?

Can noobs can take this literally and act on it?

So why so many threads on here about KW stuffing? Google webmaster terms mention kw stuffing too?

Ya... here's literally...

I have a site with a single word on the page... that's 100%.

With 3 words and single word phrases is 75%

With 2 words and single word phrases is 50%...

...are you literally saying that these precentages are keyword stuffing?

Noobies are not as stupid as you think they are... when you said "write naturally" or "write for the reader" they don't "naturally think you mean"...

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are they?

This isn't sarcasm?

You actually believe this crap that noobies would take a 500 word page and make 375 the same phrase?

Ignore me all you want... I write for everyone else...

Hey all those that still read this post because they are ignoring me...

This guys post is the most idiotic I've ever seen on this forum... absolute pure crap!

In fact what was said was "stuff all you want" - if you want to; because it won't make you rank any better than 0%... it makes no difference... but obvious some people that thinks "an ignore list stops people from posting"... can't read and don't have any common sense.

This is sarcasm "You should become a milkman... it suits your intellect!"

Two insults to me at once and you never knew me? "milkman" to me is racist! I am not natively english speaking therefore I was only asking questions the best way my english understands and the context may not be correct but you welcome me with insults?

I had not ignored you yet but this is true now!

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Thankyou SEO_AM! Yes I came to register here to learn and share. Not to be a figure of insults after I only made 2 posts? Outspoken is good but why ridicule new members like so? This Fathom person has insulted me and twisted my words for no reason. I spent lots of time reading rules and this should not be a welcome to noobs? I do not feel welcome here at all.

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