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    Exclamation Sandbox HotList Theory


    Anyone else notice that the sandbox acts differently for sites targeting big searches than it does with the small ones? I have had less competitive sites skip over the sandbox while my sites that target hard terms stay in, even up to a year. Any one else notice this?
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    The title hotlist comes from what i envison, a list of hot high money search terms that when targeted throw you into the sandbox.
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    Interesting. Your theory is that Google may pay more attention to "horticultural services" than "lawn mowing services" because one may cost more than the other even though they are related; or am I missing something here?
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    no no no


    No No No. Google may be more likely to sandbox a "ring tone" or "viagra" site than it would a "lawn mower" site". The average cost of the adwords that are in question may even play a role. Ask yourself this question, what is the easiest way to keep people from making fly by night sites to target $50 keywords....

    If you think about it a second it makes alot of sense. Helps stop short term spamming for money, esp black hat.
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    Sounds familiar. My wife launched a local city based site recently, which is still in Google and #11 for her target keywords .It's been in the top 30 since it's launch pretty much, which was about 4 months ago. My "money" makers all get sandboxed.. lol
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    Cool now here is a better question


    If you launch a site for an easy phraze, can you swich the target keywords a month later after you miss the sandbox and you are showing up in the serps?

    Are you garrenteed a late trip to the sandbox? or will you bypass it?

    This is what i am curious about.
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    From my personal experience I can say that ANY website will be sandboxed.

    Yes, I've seen people claiming that they managed to avoid sandbox -- but I can hardly believe them.

    Both viagra and lawn mowing websites would be sandboxed. There's also a theory that less competitive websites go out from sandbox earlier.

    I was watching 2 websites launched about 13 months ago: one was related to 'web hosting' and other -- 'pet care'.

    'web hosting' one is now out from sandbox -- 'pet care' is still in the sandbox.
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    yes, non-competitive phrases can avoid the sandbox. think of it this way. let's say that the sandbox is related to backlinks having very little power for the first 8 months. (just an example). for a competitive phrase, the fact that your backlinks have little power means you will not rank for that phrase. but for a non-competitive phrase, having even just a tiny bit of power might be enough to rank well. make sense?
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    Its not the site thats sandboxed but the words...
    I backed this up in the past with the word "buy" in my keywords....
    By removing the word "buy" from a query u get a top 10 but by including it your not in the top 2,000

    Wit's knows this site....
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    examples


    I can offer proof of a site not in the sandbox that is around a month old that is a very niche term. I also have another site that is very hard that stayed in a year. if you want the links you can pm me.

    can you post or send examples?


    (my example is likey not a site that avoided the sandbox, but a site that came out really fast.) -edited to add this clarification.
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    Originally Posted by dazzlindonna
    yes, non-competitive phrases can avoid the sandbox. think of it this way. let's say that the sandbox is related to backlinks having very little power for the first 8 months. (just an example). for a competitive phrase, the fact that your backlinks have little power means you will not rank for that phrase. but for a non-competitive phrase, having even just a tiny bit of power might be enough to rank well. make sense?


    Very good answer. I only have one issue with this though, when my big site was sandboxed it wouldnt show up for its complete title when searched for. That is bad.... When it came out, it will show up #1 for the same or less. And this has little to do with links. (unless the links get all their value all at once after they mature?)
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    hmm


    Originally Posted by gabs
    Its not the site thats sandboxed but the words...
    I backed this up in the past with the word "buy" in my keywords....
    By removing the word "buy" from a query u get a top 10 but by including it your not in the top 2,000

    Wit's knows this site....

    Again my prob with this is answer is the search for your complete title problem?
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    I can buy into the "greed theory" to where whatever is hot for the day is attracting "black hats", soooo... let's delay their progression in the SERPs until they go away... say 6-12 months. Possible. Also possible, mom & pop are trying to sell their dahlia bulbs on-line, sooo... let's let them sell immediately. Make sense?
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    Originally Posted by SEO_AM
    I can buy into the "greed theory" to where whatever is hot for the day is attracting "black hats", soooo... let's delay their progression in the SERPs until they go away... say 6-12 months. Possible. Also possible, mom & pop are trying to sell their dahlia bulbs on-line, sooo... let's let them sell immediately. Make sense?
    To me it does. If your business plan is strong enough to spend money for your traffic for a few months without organic serches its a big deal. Or if you are commited enough to do so without giving up says somthing to me. Or it could just be a way to make more money on adwords.

    *shrugs*
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    Originally Posted by joer80
    To me it does. If your business plan is strong enough to spend money for your traffic for a few months without organic serches its a big deal. Or if you are commited enough to do so without giving up says somthing to me. Or it could just be a way to make more money on adwords.

    *shrugs*

    How many spammy site webmasters are in it for the long run anyway?



    (wow, i replyed to myself, that has to be a first. (This post was meant to be an edit))
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