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Old August 8th, 2007, 05:34 PM
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Same company different websites

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I would like to ask you for advice.
I have a company which already have one establish website, appears on first and second pages of Google and MSN.
Now i want to create one more website with different domain name and absolutely different content, only pages with privacy policy and Contact information will be the same. In other words address and phone number will be the same. Will it be consider as a spam from search engine point of view. Is it appropriate to have more then one website for one company and optimize them for same keywords.

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Search Engines will not consider that spam. I might even block those pages from search engines.

As for you second question i dont see why you would want to do that.

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Old August 8th, 2007, 07:15 PM
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First of all because I found better domain name for my business that I want to use (and I don't want to use redirect method, I have many pages), second is I think that I need to redesign my website and come up with better marketing content in order to have more customers and plus I made a mistake with yahoo optimization and I think I got banned from yahoo, not completely banned but anyway I want to start new optimization from the beginning, without bad record of the domain history. In the previous I was buying farmed links and it is affected my yahoo ranking. I have no traffic at all from yahoo.


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Search Engines will not consider that spam. I might even block those pages from search engines.

As for you second question i dont see why you would want to do that.

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Old August 8th, 2007, 07:27 PM
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If your first website hasn't done well then you can scrap it and start a new one. But if it has some backlinks and is older you'll be losing the gain from those.

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Old August 8th, 2007, 07:32 PM
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That is why i want leave my first website it as it is right now and start doing second website, so i will have two websites optimized on same keywords, it will bring more traffic, right?

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If your first website hasn't done well then you can scrap it and start a new one. But if it has some backlinks and is older you'll be losing the gain from those.

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Old August 8th, 2007, 07:39 PM
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I wouldn't compete against myself. unless you think you can get both of them to the top of the SERPs. Getting one to the top would be a lot easier.

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Old August 8th, 2007, 09:49 PM
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Yes i understand that, I'm not trying compete against myself, I just want create new website and make appropriate optimization. In the mean time I don't want to loose existing ranking. One more question, I have other domain names parked at godaddy.com, I forwarded them to my website, it is not going to be counted as double content, correct?

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I wouldn't compete against myself. unless you think you can get both of them to the top of the SERPs. Getting one to the top would be a lot easier.

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No, It will not counted as double content (duplicate content).

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Old August 9th, 2007, 02:04 AM
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Is it appropriate to have more then one website for one company and optimize them for same keywords.


No,it is something like you are fighting with yourself.
If your company is providing two different services then you can have 2 different websites for 2 different topics.
Or if you are providing services in 2 different country (like UK and Spain) we can have 2 different site one in English and one in Spanish.
Otherwise I don't think it is a good idea.
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I have a company which already have one establish website, appears on first and second pages of Google and MSN.
Now i want to create one more website with different domain name and absolutely different content, only pages with privacy policy and Contact information will be the same. In other words address and phone number will be the same. Will it be consider as a spam from search engine point of view.

If you are planning two different websites for the same company,same service,same targeted keywords then I have a doubt that how the content can be absolutely different.

Now,question is why you want to create a new site?
From your post I figure out that you found better domain name for your business.Ok fine,book that domain and scrape the old one.
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But if it has some backlinks and is older you'll be losing the gain from those.

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That is why i want leave my first website it as it is right now and start doing second website

Do a simple 301 redirection of the old website to the new one and all the values of the old one will transfer to new one,but it will take some time.Once google will recognize your new URL they will transfer the values.

Finally I would have to say that I don't like the Idea of having to websites for the same company,same service,same targeted keywords at all.

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Old August 9th, 2007, 02:05 AM
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If your first website hasn't done well then you can scrap it and start a new one. But if it has some backlinks and is older you'll be losing the gain from those.

No way,301 redirection can solve this problem easily.

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Old August 9th, 2007, 02:15 AM
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I think that WD-NYC Designer'd plan is sound. There is an old website having some SEO problems and he has decided to make a fresh start. So the old site will be left as it is and he will work on the new one. That's fine.

If/when the old site does so badly that it is worth being abandoned, abandon it. While it generates some traffic worth some money to you, keep it but don't waste effort on it.

Developing two sites from scratch at once is not a very good idea since then you'd have to split your energy, but keeping an old one running along while working on a second one doing the same thing in a better way: Why not?

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I think that WD-NYC Designer'd plan is sound. There is an old website having some SEO problems and he has decided to make a fresh start. So the old site will be left as it is and he will work on the new one. That's fine.

If/when the old site does so badly that it is worth being abandoned, abandon it. While it generates some traffic worth some money to you, keep it but don't waste effort on it.

Developing two sites from scratch at once is not a very good idea since then you'd have to split your energy, but keeping an old one running along while working on a second one doing the same thing in a better way: Why not?

While the old one having some problems then why should we keep it.We can easily do a 301 from old one to new one.
See I am not against the idea of new domain,but against having 2 domains for same company,same service,same targeted keywords.
May be I am wrong,but If I was in that place I would redirect the old one to the new one.

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hmmm....some interesting posts above.

My take on this:

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I have a company which already have one establish website, appears on first and second pages of Google and MSN.
Now i want to create one more website with different domain name and absolutely different content

Great !! Go ahead !

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only pages with privacy policy and Contact information will be the same. In other words address and phone number will be the same. Will it be consider as a spam from search engine point of view.

Block those pages with robots.txt Matter solved ! No chance of duplicate content PLUS you don't pass your existing LJ, PR and Trust Score to all these unimportant pages.

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First of all because I found better domain name for my business that I want to use (and I don't want to use redirect method, I have many pages), second is I think that I need to redesign my website and come up with better marketing content in order to have more customers and plus I made a mistake with yahoo optimization and I think I got banned from yahoo, not completely banned but anyway I want to start new optimization from the beginning, without bad record of the domain history. In the previous I was buying farmed links and it is affected my yahoo ranking. I have no traffic at all from yahoo.

So you have learnt a lesson and want to start afresh...good!

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That is why i want leave my first website it as it is right now and start doing second website, so i will have two websites optimized on same keywords, it will bring more traffic, right?

You are correct! If you own all the top 10 sites that show up in Google for a particular keyword, nothing like it!

You approach is error-free, however, I would have done things a bit differently.

Instead of having 2 websites targeting the same keyword create a new website and target a more nicher long tail keyphrase.

You must be aware that for your industry you're not able to get traffic for each related keyword. So why not expand your reach for other keywords/ keyphrases related to your industry with this new domain? Sounds much logical to me.

If you target the same keyword with both the sites, not only will you be competing against yourself but also over a period of time won't be able to concentrate on both the domains equally. Most likely, you'll concentrate more on the new one and start ignoring the old one, which will make the old one slip down the SERPs eventually.

Instead of that go for different keywords/ keyphrases. That way IMO you'll have better positions, better reach and can work on both the domains simultaneously.

Cheers and good luck !
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First of all because I found better domain name for my business that I want to use (and I don't want to use redirect method, I have many pages), second is I think that I need to redesign my website and come up with better marketing content in order to have more customers and plus I made a mistake with yahoo optimization and I think I got banned from yahoo, not completely banned but anyway I want to start new optimization from the beginning, without bad record of the domain history. In the previous I was buying farmed links and it is affected my yahoo ranking. I have no traffic at all from yahoo.



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First of all because I found better domain name for my business that I want to use (and I don't want to use redirect method, I have many pages)

301 would be perfect solution to this


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second is I think that I need to redesign my website and come up with better marketing content in order to have more customers and plus I made a mistake with yahoo optimization and I think I got banned from yahoo, not completely banned but anyway I want to start new optimization from the beginning


Go for redesign not a issue , but don't make that changes like from static page to completely dynamic flash based one.
Completely Flash Based mean apart from your basic layout like pics n all your content is also flash based....that can b problem...

Adding Better Marketing Content is always accepted so its good you are adding high quality content in same site will be helpful.

Rest remains yahoo banned: you can get out of the serious impact of farmed link if you can achieve high quality ONE Way Links. These link will take edge over them.

So instead of spending time ,money and all the valuable resources on new site start lil effort on the previous one and you will receive much more benefit.


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I do not have solid information on the matter of redirecting a possible flagged or even banned domain to a new domain. That's why I would be careful and do some research before doing that.
If the site on the old domain violates or violated guidelines of SEs and is marked as 'one of the bad guys', it MIGHT carry over to a new domain if your 301 redirect it.
Again, I don't have solid information, but it kind of makes sense - otherwise you could always get a new domain, redirect a burnt old one to it and carry over all the benefits and none of the liabilities.

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