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Old August 27th, 2008, 09:59 AM
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Let me explain to you how I make that page to be relevant to my business

1. Always use anchor text relevant to my seeking keywords

2. A PR7 is always a trustworthy page for Google, if not in the next update the PR will be down

3. We SEO people always use the right anchor text

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When Google judge a link it verify:
1. Relevancy of the page from where the link is coming from.

2. Quality of the page (not PR, Google consider whether the page is trust worthy in that particular sector)

3. Anchor Text that has been used


If the page with PR7 is not relevant to my business I just write a press release talking about the fusion of these 2 websites.(title of press release will be their keywords + my keywords) Spread out the press release and you have relevancy for Google in less than a week

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When you are getting a link from a PR 7 page, it is not necessary that the page should have a high quality. Because any kind of links (both relevant and irrelevant) are responsible for PR.

Before judge the PR Google see whether it is relevant to your subject or not.

Back link from a irrelevant high PR site, only bring PR and visitors for your site. No search engine benefit at all.


You are missing the point.
The scneray for our discussion will be a site relevance but with PR0 AND a site irrelevant but with PR7. As I said to you without any doubt I will choose the irrelevant with PR7 and do the strategy mention above to make the page relevant

It is much easier to make a page relevant to your business than to get a PR7

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If you have the option to chose one from the 2 links, where both the site are relevant , but one with PR0 and another one with PR7, then 2nd one is good. The reason is it is relevant and with good PR. Relevancy count first.


As I said to you I take this tag very seriouly so in my 2 lines you can be 100% sure that I have targeted all my relevant keywords

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Suppose you are targeting 3 keywords for a page. You have the highly relevant content to support all three. Now in description you are able to put 2, 3rd word is missing.

Now if only description is shown as snippet, then will the snippet attractive in the search result when visitors will search the 3rd term? I think not.

In that case Google will take the most relevant textual content part of your page which is highly relevant with the 3rd term.

Hope I am clear with fact.


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Sorry mate, can't agree with you that PR is very important.
In case of the page from where you are getting link, PR can be an added advantage.

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PR is not at all important for ranking. Getting a PR 7 link is not always a SEO success.


I agree on this as pr has no direct connection to serp ranking.

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2. A PR7 is always a trustworthy page for Google, if not in the next update the PR will be down

I can't agree with you.
You can find out some link firm with High PR, but they are not at all trustworthy.



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If the page with PR7 is not relevant to my business I just write a press release talking about the fusion of these 2 websites.(title of press release will be their keywords + my keywords) Spread out the press release and you have relevancy for Google in less than a week

We should not waste so many time for an irrelevant link (don't care about PR), in that time we can do other things.
Also your strategy is not clear to me.


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It is much easier to make a page relevant to your business than to get a PR7

I don't know whether this is really possible or not, but my opinion is I will not try this. Why should we spend time and energy to convert an irrelevant page to a relevant one. Only for PR???



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As I said to you I take this tag very seriouly so in my 2 lines you can be 100% sure that I have targeted all my relevant keywords

In my opinion by putting a description tag webmaster might try to manipulate the clicks, which I think is not right approach.


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Old August 28th, 2008, 03:06 AM
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Can you show me one please

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I can't agree with you.
You can find out some link firm with High PR, but they are not at all trustworthy.



Base in my experience a link with PR7 works well for ranking
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We should not waste so many time for an irrelevant link (don't care about PR), in that time we can do other things.
Also your strategy is not clear to me.



It does work for me and you will not spend more than 1 hour writing a press release
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I don't know whether this is really possible or not, but my opinion is I will not try this. Why should we spend time and energy to convert an irrelevant page to a relevant one. Only for PR???


The purpuse of SEPR is that people click on your site, Meta description is a tool that SEO has in order to achieve our goals
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In my opinion by putting a description tag webmaster might try to manipulate the clicks, which I think is not right approach.


It seems that we agree on something. Thanks for the discussion

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Yes this is right approach.

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Can you show me one please

You can find out some webdirectories, those have good PR. But you are not going to get search engine benefits from there.

Some wiki pages also have external links, but they are nofollowed and only gives visitors in return.


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Base in my experience a link with PR7 works well for ranking

See in SEO world many people have some different experience, but those are not to be consider as the SEO general rule.

I might have a experience that is opposite from general search engine rule and I should not think that the SEO rule is wrong.

In my experience PR has no relation with ranking. Relevancy matters first and PR is an added feature.



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It does work for me and you will not spend more than 1 hour writing a press release

I don't understand why should I try to convert an irrelevant site to a relevant one and also the result.

I don't see any reason, which can convince me to do so.(Even I don't want to try it, because I don't think it is possible. Well this is my personal opinion. )


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The purpuse of SEPR is that people click on your site, Meta description is a tool that SEO has in order to achieve our goals

Content quality, services, presentation of your site are the tools which can help you to achieve your Goal.
In my opinion Meta description is a tool to manipulate the visitors clicks.

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Old August 28th, 2008, 05:08 AM
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Yes please I am asking him to prove a NOT reputation PR7 site and he just wonder around

One of my case is as follow(I am sorry is in Spanish but you will get the point):

The site www.maugDOTes = it is a Adobe user group site in Spanish and on the navegation bar on the right hand side has a link to my site which is a site that deal with apartments in Barcelona. A totaly irrelevant site to my business

When I got the link that site has PR7 But in the last Google update it drop it to PR5

Which makes my point that irrelevant links brings the PR down

Then I wrote the following press release

http://www.prlog.org/10077791-only-apartments-and-maug-merged-to-translate-texts-about-adobe-products-from-english-to-spanish.html

You can see the link to my site at the end of the press release

In less than a month my site gain ranking

Relevancy is something that a SEO has to deal with. Its means connecting business in order to promote both business.

We do translation from English to Spanish for them. So their user benefits from the traslation that we do from the Adobe English user groups to the Adobe Spanish user groups and we receive a good link from their site to our site

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Yes please I am asking him to prove a NOT reputation PR7 site and he just wonder around

One of my case is as follow(I am sorry is in Spanish but you will get the point):

The site www.maugDOTes = it is a Adobe user group site in Spanish and on the navegation bar on the right hand side has a link to my site which is a site that deal with apartments in Barcelona. A totaly irrelevant site to my business

When I got the link that site has PR7 But in the last Google update it drop it to PR5

Which makes my point that irrelevant links brings the PR down

Then I wrote the following press release

http://www.prlog.org/10077791-only-apartments-and-maug-merged-to-translate-texts-about-adobe-products-from-english-to-spanish.html

You can see the link to my site at the end of the press release

In less than a month my site gain ranking

Relevancy is something that a SEO has to deal with. Its means connecting business in order to promote both business.

We do translation from English to Spanish for them. So their user benefits from the traslation that we do from the Adobe English user groups to the Adobe Spanish user groups and we receive a good link from their site to our site


It doesn't prove that you rank improved for the that particular irrelevant PR7 link.

I site can be judged by Google through different parameters. One of them and the most important one is, recommendation of your site from other relevant internet resource.

May be some other issues are there.

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When I got the link that site has PR7 But in the last Google update it drop it to PR5

Which makes my point that irrelevant links brings the PR down


Does it prove this? How do you know that that link is the sole reason that the PR decreased? There are umpteen different reasons why it could have happened.
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In our SEO world it is a matter of testing things and formulate hypothesis. I have tested this techniques with a few websites and all of them have improved their ranking. So I reached the conclusion that you can make any site relevant to your business with a bit of work

You are absolutely right when you said "how to I know is the sole reason for decreasing PR." It could easily be a combination of factors.

I want to share my experiences with you, SEO guys to see if anyone has done something similar in order to make my hypothesis a fact
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Does it prove this? How do you know that that link is the sole reason that the PR decreased? There are umpteen different reasons why it could have happened.

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